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Hebrew Hammer
07-10-2010, 04:18 AM
Hi Peeps,
My work out regimen of Yoga, boxing/kicboxing, some running and circuit training (I like to cross train if you can't tell) of the last five months, has led me to a herniated disc. I had been working out 5 days a week doing a mixture two of the above programs for about an hour a piece.

Since then have been in tremedous pain, siatica and have started accupuncture and physical therapy treatments for the last three weeks...and am now just starting to get back into the gym. I'm unable to do martial arts, yoga or running right now, just some exercise bike for cardio and seated weight machines. Feeling a bit better and considering trying akido in the next month or two in place of my other martial training.

Has anyone had experience coming back from this type of injury? Any helpful hints for recovery? And what are you thoughts on doing Akido training inplace of my hard style boxing/kickboxing regimen?

Looking forward to your responses,

The Hebrew Hammer

chillzATL
07-10-2010, 08:13 AM
Aikido isn't any more forgiving on a back injury than any of the other activities you've had to give up while you heal. I've been down that road myself and eventually had to stop completely for a while. Best thing you can do is stick to the PT and take it slow with everything.

Mikemac
07-10-2010, 12:40 PM
Hi Peeps,
My work out regimen of Yoga, boxing/kicboxing, some running and circuit training (I like to cross train if you can't tell) of the last five months, has led me to a herniated disc. I had been working out 5 days a week doing a mixture two of the above programs for about an hour a piece.

Since then have been in tremedous pain, siatica and have started accupuncture and physical therapy treatments for the last three weeks...and am now just starting to get back into the gym. I'm unable to do martial arts, yoga or running right now, just some exercise bike for cardio and seated weight machines. Feeling a bit better and considering trying akido in the next month or two in place of my other martial training.

Has anyone had experience coming back from this type of injury? Any helpful hints for recovery? And what are you thoughts on doing Akido training inplace of my hard style boxing/kickboxing regimen?

Looking forward to your responses,

The Hebrew Hammer

Can you tell us of any particular incident or workout that you believe caused this? Was it sudden, or something that developed over time? This is very important.

Hebrew Hammer
07-10-2010, 02:06 PM
Can you tell us of any particular incident or workout that you believe caused this? Was it sudden, or something that developed over time? This is very important.

Good question, I believe it developed over time, no one particular incident...just used to working through pain (years of football in my youth) so kept at it...it just got worse. Thought it was a pinched nerve that I used to get from Football. Brilliant eh?

Hebrew Hammer
07-10-2010, 02:07 PM
Aikido isn't any more forgiving on a back injury than any of the other activities you've had to give up while you heal. I've been down that road myself and eventually had to stop completely for a while. Best thing you can do is stick to the PT and take it slow with everything.

Thanks Jason..may I ask how long it took you to get back into form?

chillzATL
07-10-2010, 07:23 PM
Thanks Jason..may I ask how long it took you to get back into form?

Well, my timeline probably isn't a good one to go by, because I didn't do my PT like I should have. I would do that stuff till I felt comfortable again then start back up like nothing had ever happened. My injuries were really the result of a lack of conditioning and years of poor posture than any specific trauma. so it really took me spending a year or so just conditioning my back through lots of ab and core work before I felt ready to come back. Of late the p90x ab and core workouts have really helped a lot.

I would just stick with the PT schedule they have you on, continue to do that stuff and slowly build up the intensity of those exercises and others. Once you're doing all that stuff at an increased level without any discomfort or mental focus on your injury, then you're probably ready to start working your way back to training.

Best of luck to you.

Michael Hackett
07-11-2010, 11:19 PM
I second what Jason said about physical therapy. Do it, do it like your life depended on it, and then do it some more. When you're done with that, overdo it. I'm just coming back from arthoscopic surgery to repair both menisci in my knee and I've been a monster at PT. As a result, my knee is stable and I can do almost everything as well as I could prior to the injury. Six weeks post-op and I can do squats, lunges and all that sort of thing without pain or strain. I still can't get all the way down in seiza yet, but that's probably just another week or so away. I've known many others who blew off the PT and are still hobbled up years later.

Hebrew Hammer
07-12-2010, 01:20 AM
Thanks for the advice and feedback gentlemen...have been slowly getting back into the gym this week and am following the PT exercises.

RED
07-12-2010, 12:23 PM
I've got a messed up disc in my lower back. Caused by a slip at work, NOT Aikido I mind you.
You can train your body to make it stronger to reduce the chance of re-injuring yourself, but the disc will be broken for live, even if it stops herniating and touching your nerves.
Improving flexibility and improving the muscle strength according to the doctor I saw is the only method of managing the injury. Unless you want to go through an invasive surgery to remove the herniated portion of the disc. That's not something I'm willing to do at my young age, but if the pain is bad enough you might talk to your doctor about it.

Aikido makes dealing with the back problem easier for me. It improves core strength and flexibility. When I take plenty of classes in a day my back feels great and I can sit up right for hours. But if I only manage to take one class in a day the amount of time I can sit up right at the dinner table or what not is maybe 45 minutes. If I skip a day of classes to rest, I can sit up right for 15 minutes before I have to walk around to get the pressure off of my spinal nerves.

So basically keeping active and following your doctor's advice for treatment is the only way to manage the injury if you aren't into extreme pain killers or surgery.

cguzik
07-12-2010, 04:17 PM
You should be able to continue your yoga practice in such a way that it contributes to your recovery. But you need to work with a skilled and experienced teacher who has worked with others in similar situations. You may be able to find a good yoga therapist who does private sessions that would be geared specifically to your recovery. Tim Miller's studio in Encinitas might be one to check out.

Hebrew Hammer
07-13-2010, 11:11 AM
Mike, thanks for the referral, I know their are Yoga techniques that will help...not sure I can afford private sessions with all the other expenditures right now. But will look up Tim's site.

Maggie, thanks for the imput and ouch. Did you just call me old? :D I'm hoping to avoid surgery as well...usually standing for long periods and walking/moving around cause me the most discomfort...sitting or laying isn't as painful. Who knows its a new experience for me...

Marie Noelle Fequiere
07-13-2010, 02:16 PM
How about Tai Chi? I took a few Tai Chi classes, and I was surprised to discover how much of a work out it can slowly give you while looking so easy.

Hebrew Hammer
07-13-2010, 02:54 PM
How about Tai Chi? I took a few Tai Chi classes, and I was surprised to discover how much of a work out it can slowly give you while looking so easy.

You just read my mind Marie...actually started looking into that today! Great minds think alike, I'm worried that a lot of the tumbling/aikido rolls involved in regular practice might be a bit much for me to handle...thanks for the suggestion.

cguzik
07-13-2010, 11:03 PM
Kevin,
I would not take a class at that yoga studio if I were you (very vigorous practice, probably too intense with the injury) but you might contact them to see if they do private therapy sessions.
Chris

tomreynolds99
09-01-2010, 02:02 PM
I developed a herniated and subseequently ruptured disc from an Aikido throw. I had back surgery and was back on the mat in about 6 months however, no break falls for another 6 months. I still have some numbness in my left leg because of the disc problem but it is SLOWLY coming back. I make accomodations on the mat for the numbness. I also purchased an inversion table (Teeter HangUps) which helps to decompress the discs and I find it tremendously helpful.

Jonathan
09-01-2010, 04:16 PM
HH:

I herniated L5-S1 over ten years ago now. It was a major blow out. I couldn't stand up straight for over 4 weeks! I permanently lost the nerve reflex in my right ankle and my right leg was numb along the sciatic nerve for months. The morphine was...interesting, though. ;)

I was in a hurry to get better, so I pushed things too much. I wouldn't make this same mistake, if I were you. Go slow and easy and you'll likely be back into training sooner and more fully than if you push it too much and suffer aggravations of your back injury.

One of the most useful rehab practices that I did was simply walking - alot. Oh, and I have found planking to be a marvelous way to stabilize my core without aggravating my old back injury. I would recommend planking over crunches and hyperextensions any day!

I have had to modify things in training somewhat. I can't go slam bang on the mats all the time like I once did. But, I can still train well, nevertheless.

You have my sincerest sympathy. I hope your recovery goes well.