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statisticool
06-20-2010, 06:41 PM
Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlQw9fJ9CKk

Abasan
06-20-2010, 07:37 PM
Now everyone's going to find an aikido master to train them. lol.

I love his kotegaeshi's on silva. Silva's a funny guy.

Adam Huss
06-20-2010, 10:49 PM
Man, this is hitting all the MA websites tonight. And for good reason, lol.

Michael Varin
06-20-2010, 11:50 PM
That's a really awesome video. :)

I know a lot of people like to make fun of seagal, but he has a lot to offer the aikido community. It's kind of a shame he stopped teaching.

Plus, if anybody is going to bust out aikido techniques in the UFC it would be Anderson Silva. He is an excellent fighter.

G Sinclair
06-21-2010, 05:51 AM
It's kind of a shame he stopped teaching.


He still teaches. It may be on a much smaller scale than the huge seminars of the past, but he does.

Gorgeous George
06-21-2010, 08:49 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I remember a discussion in a thread only the other day in which people were deriding the plausibility of aikido in MMA...

Please tell me someone's posted this on Bullshido...?
I can guess the reaction: 'I guess Silva's gonna lose then.'.

I really like the kote-gaeshi, and when he asks him to do a fast punch - to which he irimis...

Aikibu
06-21-2010, 10:26 AM
Duhhhhhhh...Aikido is a MARTIAL ART. :)

If you cross train with boxers, grapplers, and other martial artists then Aikido's martial effectiveness is obvious.

Remember Seagal's practice is traditional based Aikido you know the so called Aiki-Bunny wrist grabbing kind? LOL.

So that being said if you practice HARD and strive to do your best Your Aikido will "work"

Having taken Ukemi from Seagal all I can tell you is he is the real deal.

Thanks for the video!

William Hazen

Sam Turnage
06-21-2010, 10:36 AM
very cool glad to see this and I think Anderson Silva is the best fighter I have seen yet.

Adam Huss
06-21-2010, 11:04 AM
Yes, this is on Bullshido.

Most aikido is illegal in the UFC.

DonMagee
06-21-2010, 11:18 AM
Yes, this is on Bullshido.

Most aikido is illegal in the UFC.

Or more correctly, most aikidoka think what they do is illegal in the UFC.

Adam Huss
06-21-2010, 11:26 AM
small joint manipulation is what I'm referring today...it is my understanding that elbow and up is the rule in UFC...although my aikido has ude gatame, jujigatame, and similar techniques which are legal and used in fights...just under the auspice of jujitsu since they are crossover techniques.

Ketsan
06-21-2010, 11:30 AM
Duhhhhhhh...Aikido is a MARTIAL ART. :)

If you cross train with boxers, grapplers, and other martial artists then Aikido's martial effectiveness is obvious.

William Hazen

I think maybe the world is about to find this out the hard way.

Keith Larman
06-21-2010, 11:39 AM
Yes, this is on Bullshido.

Most aikido is illegal in the UFC.

WRT the first part, where on bullshido? A link would be helpful -- I browse through there regularly but must have missed it. That site is so cluttered I often miss stuff, however. No patience on my part I suppose.

WRT to the second comment, not so sure about that but I'll leave that to others more qualified than I (me? Grammar help please) to debate...

MM
06-21-2010, 11:50 AM
WRT to the second comment, not so sure about that but I'll leave that to others more qualified than I (me? Grammar help please) to debate...

Either.

Depends on how you structured your sentence.

Did you use "than" as a conjuction with the understood verb section left out? ... more qualified than I am qualified to debate ...

or

Did you use "than" as a preposition? ... more qualified than me to debate ...

Mark

Ketsan
06-21-2010, 12:08 PM
small joint manipulation is what I'm referring today...it is my understanding that elbow and up is the rule in UFC...although my aikido has ude gatame, jujigatame, and similar techniques which are legal and used in fights...just under the auspice of jujitsu since they are crossover techniques.

Small joint manipulation is fingers and toes. Wrist locks are perfectly legal. To be honest, "there are no techniques in Aikido" thing aside, I think for ring work you need irimi nage, tenchi nage, rokkyo and yonkyo submission and that's about it and they're all perfectly legal.

Hellis
06-21-2010, 04:31 PM
As an Aikidoist and a professional MMA / Cage fighter, I would say that there is very little Aikido that is illegal in the MMA. All the wrist locks are legal, small joint manipulation is taking one or two digits and bending them back to release your opponents grip, this is illegal, three fingers or more is allowed. Small joint manipulation is not part of Aikido anyway. I have submitted several serious training opponents in ground work with Kotegaesh – Sankyo – Nikkyo – I use irimi tenkan on the cage wall to either turn my opponent into or off the wall.
The Aikido movements in MMA are tighter and not so flowing, but the compact techniques can be very effective.
The way you enter you’re your opponent, using his weight against him to turn him or take him down.
I don’t usually use forums, my father Henry Ellis Sensei asked me to comment on this subject.
Watching the video that started this thread, much of what Seagal Sensei is teaching I believe has a place at some level in MMA, It is also very similar to my own teaching . Silva would not be a part of this if he didn't believe.

Rik Ellis Aikido / MMA
http://rik-ellis.blogspot.blogspot.com/

Adam Huss
06-21-2010, 08:03 PM
That's pretty cool Rik...I guess the only aikido technique illegal in MMA would be ubishime then, thanks for the clarification and input. Any chance you can share some video's of your fights where you are using your aikido? Since most of us aren't fighters I think we would all benefit....
thanks again
A

Mark Gibbons
06-21-2010, 11:10 PM
MMA - No head butting, eye gouging, fish hooking, attacking the groin, strikes to the back of the head, strikes to the trachea. Those are all part of aikido as I have had done to me, so I'd say a lot of aikido is banned.

Mark

Hellis
06-22-2010, 01:28 AM
That's pretty cool Rik...I guess the only aikido technique illegal in MMA would be ubishime then, thanks for the clarification and input. Any chance you can share some video's of your fights where you are using your aikido? Since most of us aren't fighters I think we would all benefit....
thanks again
A

Hi Adam

Sorry for the mistake in the link.
It is difficult to pick out techniques when fights are filmed. People look for stylized Aikido as seen in the dojo, the cage and the street are very different places and less accommodating. I always tell students they must `adapt` to the situation they find themselves in.
My father has asked me to make a short video of my application of
Aikido techniques within both fighting and training. I will try to get this done soon. It may surprise you at the reaction from some of the more experienced fighters when a kote gaesh or nykkyo / sankkyo is applied in ground work.
The most difficult transition for me from Aikido to MMA was to stop leading with my forward leg, a gift in MMA.

Rik Ellis Aikido / MMA
http://rik-ellis.blogspot.com/

Carl Thompson
06-22-2010, 05:35 AM
Thank you for the comments and the link to your blog Rik. Very interesting stuff.

Carl

Adam Huss
06-22-2010, 10:50 AM
@ Rik,

On behalf of Aikiweb folks, thanks in advance for putting in the effort on this. At my dojo we offer many martial arts with a single monthly payment for all....thus at least 75% of our members cross-train. That being said we sometimes mix up techniques; nikajo from a half guard, kaiten nage to jujigatame from sprawl defense of a shoot, etc. Anyway, very interested in seeing you take on things....I know if you were in our area we'd invite you to do a clinic at one of our seminars.

Hellis
06-23-2010, 12:07 AM
Adam
Thanks for the invitation, I will be with my father in Texas & NM USA ( too far from you ), dates to be agreed ???
Did you see this video on my site ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-juUCqxeFA
My opponent is a 6th dan TaeKwonDo with a reputation for powerful kicks. I decided to enter and shut him down even if I got caught, it was over in 46 secs.
Rik Ellis Aikido/ MMA
http://rik-ellis.blogspot.com/

Cliff Judge
08-11-2010, 08:36 AM
Has there been any discussion about this since the fight this weekend, when Silva won? I didn't see the fight so i have no idea what it looked like.

Gorgeous George
08-11-2010, 09:44 AM
Has there been any discussion about this since the fight this weekend, when Silva won? I didn't see the fight so i have no idea what it looked like.

Chael Sonnen spent four - nearly five - rounds throwing Silva to the floor and beating him up. He never really looked like finishing him though, and with just under two minutes left in the entire fight (the fifth round), after which, Sonnen would have easily won a decision victory, Silva 'slapped on a triangle from the bottom', forcing Sonnen to tap out.

ninjaqutie
08-11-2010, 09:51 AM
I didn't watch it either Cliff, but it is my understanding Silva was having his (_!_) handed to him the first few rounds, but he came back to win. Although I like Silva, I would like to see him a bit less cocky and a good loss would be good for him I think.