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oisin bourke
05-30-2010, 03:07 AM
Reading through the constant soul searching over Aikido and its' current state/future direction, I feel we sometimes miss asking ourselves the most vital questions such as:

Who's going to win the world cup?

Spain have to be favourites but they've fluffed it before. My heart says Argentina because of the genius that is Lionel Messi plus Maradona is the manager (the mad old goat!).

IF Rooney is in top shape, England could finally do well. They've a decent manager (at last!) and Gerard/Lampard/Cole are all world class. I'm also looking forward to watching Robben for the Dutch.

My final four:

Spain, Argentina, England and either Netherlands or Brazil.

Golden Boot:

Rooney or Torres.

Players of the tournament

Robben, Messi , Drogba, maybe Kaka

Surprise of the tournament

The Ivory Coast

Nigeria and Serbia might do something special

Flops:

Portugal. If Dunga keeps the lid down Brazil could suffer too.

I hope the African teams give it some welly!

The last two cups were a little underwhelming so I'm hoping for a classic!

Walter Martindale
05-30-2010, 03:21 AM
Reading through the constant soul searching over Aikido and its' current state/future direction, I feel we sometimes miss asking ourselves the most vital questions such as:

Who's going to win the world cup?



The rowing world cup? - that runs every year. Three regattas each year, points awarded to the winners, with a maillot jaune held by the winners in each event.
The rugby world cup? - wait, that's next year.
The kiwis beat Serbia today... Not that I think they'll get very far, but...
W

mathewjgano
05-30-2010, 12:29 PM
You know, I've been feeling a little hollow lately...until I read this thread that is! Now, delving the depths of my soul I see it's clear: Argentina is the answer I'd like to see come true! ...Because I doubt the US will take it.:(
Reconnected with the heart of the Universe I can now sally forth.
Take care all!:D

oisin bourke
05-31-2010, 07:34 AM
The rowing world cup? - that runs every year. Three regattas each year, points awarded to the winners, with a maillot jaune held by the winners in each event.
The rugby world cup? - wait, that's next year.
The kiwis beat Serbia today... Not that I think they'll get very far, but...
W

Good result for the Kiwis. It's impressive that they managed a full ninety minutes resisting the temptation to pick the ball up and boot it over the crossbar.:cool:

I'm just jealous, mind, due to Ireland qualifying.

I just saw England vs Japan. Omigod... Rooney Gerrard and Joe Cole did well, but the rest of them? Headless chickens, I'm afraid.

Morimoto could do the business for Japan.

oisin bourke
05-31-2010, 08:30 AM
Edit


I'm just jealous, mind, due to Ireland NOT qualifying.

Marc Abrams
05-31-2010, 02:13 PM
Oisin:

Maradona has done a poor job as a coach! Brazil has been acting like Italy (a team of prima donnas). Both teams have remarkable talent and a great propensity of playing poorly as a team. Germany usually plays very well as a team in major international competitions. England's style of football tends not to stack up well against teams with more controlled midfields and defenses. Spain and France are simply unknown as to how they will present themselves at the World Cup. Both have the potential to go far. US looked good one-to-two years ago to finally make it past round one. Lately, they have not been looking good at all. Africa can field some good teams but they do not play enough together to gel as solid teams. Most of the good players from Africa leave that continent as quickly as they can and only go back to their countries for as brief a time as possible. That leads me to discount any of the potentially better squads coming out of Africa.

Germany, Brazil, Spain, France appear to be front-runners in my book. My vote tends to go to Brazil, if not for the players, then for the female fan :D !

Marc

oisin bourke
06-01-2010, 01:15 AM
Hi Marc,

I agree, Maradona's a terrible manager, but he's probably the greatest player ever (that I've seen anyway), so I think they chose him as a talisman. I figure the Argentines' tactic is to listen him rant on in the dressing room, ignore him and basically get the ball to Messi and Tevez. How hard can that be?

Incidentally, I heard a rumour that Maradona learned Judo as a child and he partly credited that for his superb balance. Wonder if it's true?

You can't write off the Germans, but I think Ballack is injured, so he'll be a big loss for them.

I'd forgotten about the Brazilian fans! Another reason to set the alarm for the 3:30 am matches!

I'm hoping that it being the first World Cup in Africa will give a big boost to some of the African teams.

The great thing about the world cup is that teams with great players sometimes fall apart (France in Japan, Brazil last time, Spain all the time)
while mediocre ones can sometimes gel and do tremendously:

Cameroon in 1990 (Roger Milla!) Bulgaria and Romania in 1994
Turkey and South Korea... The list goes on.

Walter Martindale
06-01-2010, 02:13 AM
Far too many people care far too much about a bunch of overpaid (yes, I'm jealous) posers chasing a little round ball around a grassy field. A thread that started for relief from over philosophizing about aikido seems to be in danger of getting exceedingly serious about ... a childrens ball game.

;-)
W

lbb
06-01-2010, 07:40 AM
The rowing world cup? - that runs every year.

Obvi the dude means the alpine skiing world cup. This next season is also a world championship year, and I'm betting on Lindsay Vonn to take both crystal globe and a lot of hardware at the Worlds, although Maria Reisch is going to press harder than ever. On the men's side, Aksel Lund Svindal.

oisin bourke
06-01-2010, 08:55 AM
Far too many people care far too much about a bunch of overpaid (yes, I'm jealous) posers chasing a little round ball around a grassy field. A thread that started for relief from over philosophizing about aikido seems to be in danger of getting exceedingly serious about ... a childrens ball game.

;-)
W

We're talking about the World Cup, not the World Series.

RED
06-01-2010, 03:01 PM
I thought he meant the soccer world cup too

Walter Martindale
06-01-2010, 03:31 PM
We're talking about the World Cup, not the World Series.
People usually need to tell ME to lighten up...

World Series - a baseball competition that takes its name from the original sponsor of the competition, the New York World newspaper.
features a bunch of (mostly American, mostly overpaid) men taking turns to wave a stick at a little round ball.

World Cup - in soccer, a bunch of men, mostly overpaid, chasing a little round ball around a grassy pitch, and with a bunch of people watching, many of whom need to be restrained from killing each other, the referees, or the opposition players, should the result not favour their home side. There's a run-on sentence for you...

World Cup - in most other sports, a bunch of competitors in their chosen sport, representing their country in (mostly) amateur competition, although I know that the "true" amateur in any high performance sport is almost non-existent.

I'm trying to be a little funny in a discussion that has potential to get far too serious about a bunch of guys playing kickball. Yes, they're very skilled at the game but - look up "sport" in a dictionary - in most cases you'll see it defined as "Play" and "recreation"... People in sport (myself included) need to keep this stuff in perspective. I think it's called "stirring" or "sh*t disturbing" So much for Aiki...:rolleyes:
W

oisin bourke
06-01-2010, 04:04 PM
People usually need to tell ME to lighten up...

W

Maybe you should listen to them.

Walter Martindale
06-02-2010, 01:02 AM
Maybe you should listen to them.

I guess our senses of humour are sufficiently different that you can't tell I'm giving your leg a mighty pull. I now withdraw from the discussion. (Not being able to tell the ethnic background from your name, "pulling your leg" means "joking" in the Canadian version of english with which I grew up - just in case..)
Sorry Jun.
Walter

brunotex
06-02-2010, 06:42 AM
People are REALLY anxious here in Brazil about the World Cup.

Kaká and Luis Fabiano are not 100% healthy, Gilberto Silva, Kleberson, and Josué are not in their prime. For the first time, our better players are on the defence, with Júlio César (Suzana Werner´s husband), Lúcio and Juan in great shape.

But the brazilians main concern is not repeating the "circus" that was 2006. Fat players (Ronaldo was way over 100 kg), too much drinking, too much parties, too much TV shows, zero training...Dunga is doing a great job, with good results.

I just hope that France don´t cross our way again. 1986, 1998 and 2006 are enough...

Regarding our fans...yes, they are part of the show. But I am missing Sweden...

Thank God Argentina has Maradona as coach...(kidding)

oisin bourke
06-02-2010, 08:00 AM
I guess our senses of humour are sufficiently different that you can't tell I'm giving your leg a mighty pull. I now withdraw from the discussion. (Not being able to tell the ethnic background from your name, "pulling your leg" means "joking" in the Canadian version of english with which I grew up - just in case..)
Sorry Jun.
Walter

Do you know, I was thinking exactly the same thing. I thought the World series quip was a rather elegant riposte, no? By the way, I'm Irish, and being humourless is sufficient grounds for the revoking of passports.

Now about the World Seri... Cup.

To add to their woes, I hear the Brazilians hate the new ball? One of them called it "supernatural".

A ghost ball...

Peter Goldsbury
06-02-2010, 08:45 AM
Hello Jun,

Perhaps you should move this thread to the Humor section. :D

Best,

PAG

brunotex
06-02-2010, 09:13 AM
Do you know, I was thinking exactly the same thing. I thought the World series quip was a rather elegant riposte, no? By the way, I'm Irish, and being humourless is sufficient grounds for the revoking of passports.

Now about the World Seri... Cup.

To add to their woes, I hear the Brazilians hate the new ball? One of them called it "supernatural".

A ghost ball...

Júlio César (goalkeeper) said that about the ball, because the ball moves by itself. He also said that this is a "supermarket ball", a ball for amateurs.
Robinho said yesterday that the guy who designed the ball have never kicked a ball.
But the "best" comment was Felipe Mello´s (Please note that I am translating what he said). He said that this ball is like a "nice girl", because it doesn´t like to be kicked :freaky: .

oisin bourke
06-04-2010, 12:10 AM
But the "best" comment was Felipe Mello´s (Please note that I am translating what he said). He said that this ball is like a "nice girl", because it doesn´t like to be kicked :freaky: .

A silver tongued devil isn't he?

Then there's this one:

"Perhaps the strongest criticism of the Jabulani (The name of the soccer ball) has come from USA goalkeeper Marcus Hahnemann, who said: "Technology is not everything. Scientists came up with the atom bomb, doesn't mean we should have invented it."

brunotex
06-04-2010, 11:03 AM
Well, all these guys are sponsored by Nike. Kaká, in a interview today, said that the ball is ok.

I just heard that Drogba broke his arm. This is too bad for Iviry Coast and for the World Cup.

David Board
06-04-2010, 11:46 AM
I guess our senses of humour are sufficiently different that you can't tell I'm giving your leg a mighty pull. I now withdraw from the discussion. (Not being able to tell the ethnic background from your name, "pulling your leg" means "joking" in the Canadian version of english with which I grew up - just in case..)
Sorry Jun.
Walter
Well then shouldn't we be talking about The Cup. Awarded to "the championship hockey club of the Dominion of Canada." which is currently being contested by two American professional hockey teams albeit primarily made up of Canadian players.

Walter Martindale
06-05-2010, 03:40 PM
Well then shouldn't we be talking about The Cup. Awarded to "the championship hockey club of the Dominion of Canada." which is currently being contested by two American professional hockey teams albeit primarily made up of Canadian players.

Lord Stanley's Cup? Bring back the "original 6" Toronto, Montreal, Chicago, NY Rangers, Boston, Detroit. On second thought, nah, Go Oilers!

Here's one - the "Thomas Lipton Cup" is a large silver trophy - a "mate" of the Americas Cup (Yachting), that is awarded annually to the rowing club that obtains the most points in the North Western International Rowing Association (Duluth, Minneapolis, Thunder Bay, Winnipeg, St. Paul, Regina, Saskatoon, and a few other US clubs) The trophy is nearly a metre tall... Never a TV camera anywhere near the place, and nobody (to my knowledge) has taken to it with a hammer...

Here in NZ, you have to specify "Hockey" refers to a game where people run around a grass (real or synthetic) paddock with hooked sticks chasing a little round ball (soccer with sticks?). Ice Hockey refers to the skating game.
W

David Board
06-05-2010, 09:54 PM
Lord Stanley's Cup? Bring back the "original 6" Toronto, Montreal, Chicago, NY Rangers, Boston, Detroit. On second thought, nah, Go Oilers!

Here's one - the "Thomas Lipton Cup" is a large silver trophy - a "mate" of the Americas Cup (Yachting), that is awarded annually to the rowing club that obtains the most points in the North Western International Rowing Association (Duluth, Minneapolis, Thunder Bay, Winnipeg, St. Paul, Regina, Saskatoon, and a few other US clubs) The trophy is nearly a metre tall... Never a TV camera anywhere near the place, and nobody (to my knowledge) has taken to it with a hammer...

Here in NZ, you have to specify "Hockey" refers to a game where people run around a grass (real or synthetic) paddock with hooked sticks chasing a little round ball (soccer with sticks?). Ice Hockey refers to the skating game.
W

Go Oilers!! First pick.

I spent enough time in Australia to know that Hockey isn't just played on ice. And that Footy has at least three if not four different meanings. And cricket is, well, cricket

Walter Martindale
06-06-2010, 04:30 PM
Go Oilers!! First pick.

I spent enough time in Australia to know that Hockey isn't just played on ice. And that Footy has at least three if not four different meanings. And cricket is, well, cricket

Cricket... Is that "Test" - "ODI" or "Twenty-20"?
Cricket, the only game I'm aware of where you can play for 4 or 5 days, end with unequal scores, and call it a draw.
W

Darryl Cowens
06-07-2010, 01:49 AM
Twenty-20.. :( tsk... who's idea was it to 'americanise' the sport?

oisin bourke
06-07-2010, 11:16 AM
Well, all these guys are sponsored by Nike. Kaká, in a interview today, said that the ball is ok.

I just heard that Drogba broke his arm. This is too bad for Iviry Coast and for the World Cup.

He might be able to play after emergency surgery. If not, it would be a terrible shame, indeed. I just watched the Ivory coast vs Japan last Saturday, when Drogba broke his arm, and the Ivory Coasters (?) played some wonderful football.

I was hoping Japan would make an impression at the World Cup, but not like this::blush:

David Board
06-07-2010, 11:29 AM
Cricket... Is that "Test" - "ODI" or "Twenty-20"?
Cricket, the only game I'm aware of where you can play for 4 or 5 days, end with unequal scores, and call it a draw.
W

What ever was on the radio while doing field work. Although they seemed to have a strange fascination with seagulls. I remember one game with a two hour long discussion about seagulls between the play by play.

Although twenty-20 had reached Australia so ODI and Test.

brunotex
06-10-2010, 09:37 AM
He might be able to play after emergency surgery. If not, it would be a terrible shame, indeed. I just watched the Ivory coast vs Japan last Saturday, when Drogba broke his arm, and the Ivory Coasters (?) played some wonderful football.

I was hoping Japan would make an impression at the World Cup, but not like this::blush:

I hope Drogba can play against Brazil. Robben, from Holland, seems to be recovering fast also. Good news..

Now, it´s the Brazilian goalkeeper, Júlio Cesar. He is with back problems (he hurt his back in the game vs Zimbabwe :disgust: ), but the brazilian coach does not say a word about it. All he says is "He will be ok for the first game". I don´t know...

The games start tomorrow:) . The first game is Mexico vs South Africa, Mexico has a good team, and South Africa is the host. But South Africa has never won a game in a World Cup. The first tomorrow?

Have you seen this chart with all the games?? It is in Spanish, but is amazing!! Beautiful!!!
http://www.marca.com/deporte/futbol/mundial/sudafrica-2010/calendario.html

oisin bourke
06-10-2010, 11:05 AM
I hope Drogba can play against Brazil. Robben, from Holland, seems to be recovering fast also. Good news..

Now, it´s the Brazilian goalkeeper, Júlio Cesar. He is with back problems (he hurt his back in the game vs Zimbabwe :disgust: ), but the brazilian coach does not say a word about it. All he says is "He will be ok for the first game". I don´t know...

The games start tomorrow:) . The first game is Mexico vs South Africa, Mexico has a good team, and South Africa is the host. But South Africa has never won a game in a World Cup. The first tomorrow?

Have you seen this chart with all the games?? It is in Spanish, but is amazing!! Beautiful!!!
http://www.marca.com/deporte/futbol/mundial/sudafrica-2010/calendario.html

That is indeed a thing of beauty. Up there with footage of Ueshiba from the Osaka Juku in the 1930's. The names of countries sound so much better in Spanish : "Corea Del Norte" "Dinamarca".

Bad news about Julio Cesar, However, I have one word of comfort:
Felix:D

brunotex
06-16-2010, 12:45 PM
The first round of games is over...

Germany was impressive. Brasil, Argentina and Italia, disappointing....

England was playing ok vs USA, but Green had that HUGE fail, it was funny, but I feel sorry for England....

Spain, what can I say??

And you?? What is your impression so far??

lbb
06-16-2010, 02:04 PM
And you?? What is your impression so far??

Switzerland won ugly...honestly, at times it seemed like their offense was so random that they were hard to defend.

North Korea look scary.

brunotex
06-17-2010, 06:12 AM
North Korea has sometimes 2 lines of 5 players on the defense. It is hard to pass through it.

I agree about Switzerland. They won ugly. It is too much pressure on Spain...

Spain play beautifully, and I don´t want Brazil to face them so early on the competition. Spain has to be the first on their group, so as Brazil. In this case, Brazil face Chile or Switzerland next round, and Spain only in the final...

brunotex
06-17-2010, 03:26 PM
France lost to Mexico!!!!

It´s party time at Ireland....:D :D :D :p :D

lbb
06-17-2010, 09:03 PM
Oh man. France got pantsed. Now I want a taco. Hell, I want to apply for Mexican citizenship.

oisin bourke
06-18-2010, 09:39 AM
France lost to Mexico!!!!

It´s party time at Ireland....:D :D :D :p :D

The Boys in Green defeat France:D

I thought Argentina have been wonderful, chaotic but really classy. Messi's a genius and Maradona's antics on the touchline are worth a look too. Whatever about his tactics, he seems to have created a really happy squad who enjoy their football.

Spain, award for the best World cup never to score a goal! I think the ball is a bit weird and it contributed to the loss. I hope the teams start to get a handle on it.

Generally, the South/Cental American teams have started very well. Uruguay, Chile and Mexico are all very good.

I hope The Dutch and Spain pick it up.

I have a feeling Ivory Coast and Brazil will be a war of attrition.

Must go. USA are getting thumped by The Mighty Slovenia!

Keith Larman
06-18-2010, 11:19 AM
Must go. USA are getting thumped by The Mighty Slovenia!

Good lord, the half blind fat man who stood most of the game mid-field in my daughter's Under-9 game made better calls. And that final goal that was disallowed... It is that level of officiating and play in the World Cup Matches that make people believe things are still less than reputable. The Kuwaiti Sheikh saying something to a ref that changes a game, Maradona's punching the ball in goal in full view of the ref and linesman, ... Argh. Win, lose or draw it only matters if it is fairly called. Sometimes mistakes are made. Sometimes the mistakes are so blatant that you have to wonder. Terrible officiating.

lbb
06-18-2010, 01:36 PM
USA got pantsed on that one, for sure. It's hard to be philosophical and say, hey, they weren't expected to win...they did win, dammit. Robbery!

oisin bourke
06-18-2010, 07:11 PM
What a comeback by USA! Dreadful final decision, but they go into the final game against Algeria while the a turgid England has to beat Slovenia. Still all to play for! Go USA!

Tonight, Netherlands and Japan!

Darryl Cowens
06-19-2010, 01:09 AM
New Zealand got their first ever point in only their second ever WC finals earlier in the week.. :) ... 1-1 draw with Slovakia.

We'll get pantsed by Italy though.. whats the bet the salary of the entire NZ team is less than any individual player in the Italian side.

brunotex
06-21-2010, 11:39 AM
Well, New Zealand tied with Italy. It is amazing. It´s a major win for that group!!!

Brazil played ok against Ivory Coast yestarday, but the game was sooo violent at the end. Not the kind of game I enjoy watching....
Now: Portugal!

Let´s see Spain today....

Darryl Cowens
06-22-2010, 01:31 AM
Yeah... if we have an upset win against Paraguay we make it through... if we manage a draw we possibly make it through... Who would have thought? :D

lbb
06-22-2010, 10:00 AM
BAFANA BAFANA!!!!

(apologies to any French people present, but GO RSA!!!!)

brunotex
06-22-2010, 12:55 PM
BAFANA BAFANA!!!!

(apologies to any French people present, but GO RSA!!!!)

Well, RSA is out of the WC:( , as well as France:D

What a ridiculous final act by Domenech. To refuse to shake Parreira´s hand (South Africa coach) at the end of the game was a shame.

Mexico now will face Argentina. GOOOOOOO Mexico!!!!!!:p

oisin bourke
06-23-2010, 07:42 AM
Not shaking hands with the manager of the host country was disgraceful! A great effort by South Africa though.

Great result by the all whites against Italy. A true World Cup story.
Portugal are back on form with a 7 -0 defeat of North Korea. A victory for Democracy! Four of NK's players have gone missing!

Brazil will possibly face Spain in the next round. Awsome!

Tonight: Will it be England or USA to progress?

Keith Larman
06-23-2010, 09:31 AM
Watching US/Algeria... Okay, did someone from the US do something to insult the world cup officiating staff? Sheesh... If this game stays at a draw there's going to be a lot of screaming. They've got to be taking it personally by now...

Marc Abrams
06-23-2010, 09:55 AM
Watching US/Algeria... Okay, did someone from the US do something to insult the world cup officiating staff? Sheesh... If this game stays at a draw there's going to be a lot of screaming. They've got to be taking it personally by now...

Keith:

This is another instance in which the last THREE world cups, the US has had blatantly discriminatory calls made against them. The reality is that we are not loved world-wide and not respected within the soccer community. That being said, our players need to shut those officials up and take the chances away from them to steal games from us and finally put a team away!

marc abrams

Marc Abrams
06-23-2010, 10:53 AM
Tears are streaming down my face- Tears of JOY!!!!

USA! USA! USA!

Marc Abrams

Keith Larman
06-23-2010, 11:01 AM
Wow, just wow... Should have been 4-0, but... 1-0 works too.

brunotex
06-23-2010, 11:25 AM
WOW!!! That´s why I love this sport. Nice goal!!! I´m happy for you guys....

USA 1st, England 2nd. You just escaped facing Germany next round!!!

Marc Abrams
06-23-2010, 01:15 PM
WOW!!! That´s why I love this sport. Nice goal!!! I´m happy for you guys....

USA 1st, England 2nd. You just escaped facing Germany next round!!!

Bruno:

Truth be told, Brazil is my #1 pick, although Argentina is playing better than them at the moment (despite their coach).

We tend to play Germany well and with the way that they are currently playing, that might have been a slightly better match for them. Got to love this sport!!!!!

Marc Abrams

oisin bourke
06-23-2010, 05:42 PM
I think I lost some hair watching the England and USA matches!

I saw Bill Clinton in the stadium watching USA. I hope his heart was OK after that game.

Walter Martindale
06-24-2010, 01:58 AM
NZ Paraguay game starts at 2AM NZ time... Hmm. What do I have to do tomorrow... Oh, that's right - sign off on the redundancy package at work, and keep packing up and selling off my stuff in prep for heading to Canada. Hmm. Might just stay up and watch the game..
Or... sleep...
Whatever - Aikido starts in 30 minutes - time to go make thumping noises..

Amassus
06-24-2010, 03:37 AM
C'mon All Whites, create history.

brunotex
06-24-2010, 07:28 AM
Bruno:

Truth be told, Brazil is my #1 pick, although Argentina is playing better than them at the moment (despite their coach).

We tend to play Germany well and with the way that they are currently playing, that might have been a slightly better match for them. Got to love this sport!!!!!

Marc Abrams

Marc,

USA will play Ghana next round (06/26, Saturday)!!! and if winning, USA will play against the winner of Uruguay vs South Korea.
I think is quite possible for USA to dream about playing a semi-final. And, maybe,a semifinal against Brasil.

I remember the 1994 World Cup so well. Brasil vs USA was a beautiful game, despite that violent scene from Leonardo, that led the USA player to the hospital.... but Bebeto´s goal was awesome, and he saying "Eu te amo = I love you" to Romario after that goal, is on brazilian TV everyday during the WC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDGxXrCb9xw

Germany will play England. This is a "must watch" game...

Marc Abrams
06-24-2010, 08:02 AM
Marc,

USA will play Ghana next round (06/26, Saturday)!!! and if winning, USA will play against the winner of Uruguay vs South Korea.
I think is quite possible for USA to dream about playing a semi-final. And, maybe,a semifinal against Brasil.

I remember the 1994 World Cup so well. Brasil vs USA was a beautiful game, despite that violent scene from Leonardo, that led the USA player to the hospital.... but Bebeto´s goal was awesome, and he saying "Eu te amo = I love you" to Romario after that goal, is on brazilian TV everyday during the WC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDGxXrCb9xw

Germany will play England. This is a "must watch" game...

My newborn, youngest son was on my lap watching that game in 1994.....

US should be Ghana and Uruguay should be South Korea. Uruguay has better midfield control that we do, although I think that we have better, bigger finishers (although for some reason, the world cup seems to be big psychological block in the minds of a lot of those players). As long as we do not make our typical defensive lapses (leaving people unaccounted for right outside the box!), the game with Uruguay is a toss-up. If we beat Ghana, I think that we will have a psychological advantage in that the US is in better shape and clearly never cedes until the final whistle is blown. US vs. Brazil.... I can only hope that the US gives us two halves like the first have of the last time the US played Brazil......

Could you imagine the US making it to a World Cup final. I frankly am sick and tired of the officials intentionally trying to sink the US in what is now the third World Cup! FIFA leaders need to stop this blatant discrimination NOW! The US is a legitimate top third team in the world for at least the last six years. It is about time that we are treated fairly.

Marc Abrams

Walter Martindale
06-24-2010, 08:59 AM
Here we go - NZ v Paraguay about to start - national anthems playing.
I never thought I'd say this - Go All Whites!!!
W

oisin bourke
06-24-2010, 01:57 PM
Gooalll Hondaaa!!!

mathewjgano
06-24-2010, 11:27 PM
Gooalll Hondaaa!!!

I just watched that! Those two free kicks were awesome! ...For Japan, anyway. :D

Darryl Cowens
06-25-2010, 04:43 AM
Well, if World Cups were won for feverishly defending one's goal, showing a heap of ticker and punching way above your weight... our team would have won the cup..

3 pts from 3 games and unbeaten in pool play... not enough to make it through, but pretty damn good for a team which was supposed to get thrashed in every game, and that almost everyone said didn't deserve to be there.

brunotex
06-25-2010, 06:19 AM
Italy is gone!!! Bah, have no words...

New Zealand made a fine job! No one expected that. Japan showed that is better practice with the Jabulani than keep complaining about it...

Marc,

Uruguay have great finishers! El Loco Abreu, Suarez and Forlán are pretty good. I agree that Uruguay´s midfield is more solid, but few teams keep their defensive tatics as USA. When USA find a player like Robben, Rooney or Ronaldo, their game will be less predictable, and then USA could dream about a title.

Regarding the officials, I am not sure if it is intentional all those calls against USA. Brazilian officials, for instance, are awful!!! Simon, who is in the World Cup, have been making enormous mistakes in the past years. Some teams simply refuse to have him as the official on their games.....

I am already with my blue jersey, waiting for Brazil vs. Portugal. Last time they met, Brazil won 6 x 2. Let´s keep this way!!!

oisin bourke
06-25-2010, 06:59 AM
I just watched that! Those two free kicks were awesome! ...For Japan, anyway. :D

The last goal was pretty classy too. Honda did a "Cruyff" style turn and sent the goalie and defenders to the shops. Denmark had the wind knocked out of them with those free kicks, but I've never seen a Japanese team play better!

Great first time out for New Zealand. They've enough world class athletes in that country to make a fine team!

Keith Larman
06-25-2010, 08:48 AM
Japan showed that is better practice with the Jabulani than keep complaining about it...

Amen on that. After seeing so many "floaters" going into orbit, it was fantastic watching the Japan free kicks. Amazing touch.

Marc Abrams
06-25-2010, 08:51 AM
Italy is gone!!! Bah, have no words...

New Zealand made a fine job! No one expected that. Japan showed that is better practice with the Jabulani than keep complaining about it...

Marc,

Uruguay have great finishers! El Loco Abreu, Suarez and Forlán are pretty good. I agree that Uruguay´s midfield is more solid, but few teams keep their defensive tatics as USA. When USA find a player like Robben, Rooney or Ronaldo, their game will be less predictable, and then USA could dream about a title.

Regarding the officials, I am not sure if it is intentional all those calls against USA. Brazilian officials, for instance, are awful!!! Simon, who is in the World Cup, have been making enormous mistakes in the past years. Some teams simply refuse to have him as the official on their games.....

I am already with my blue jersey, waiting for Brazil vs. Portugal. Last time they met, Brazil won 6 x 2. Let´s keep this way!!!

Bruno:

This may be Brazil's toughest game! They must play 150% of what they have!

It would be easy to say mistakes with the officials in US games, but the mystery foul for Ghana, hand ball by Germany in the box,.... This world cup, with violating rules regarding on-sides and scorer advantage- 2X. FIFA has quietly been dealing with accusations of game fixing for years. That should say it all.

GO BRAZIL!

Marc Abrams

Ps- Japan played one of the best games EVER yesterday. What a beautiful game to watch. Best free kicks of the tournament!

mathewjgano
06-26-2010, 09:09 PM
Aw! Good try team USA!

mathewjgano
06-26-2010, 09:11 PM
Amen on that. After seeing so many "floaters" going into orbit, it was fantastic watching the Japan free kicks. Amazing touch.

I love that ball! My soccer team has one of those and it's awesome to head; feels like I'm not getting any brain damage at all!

Keith Larman
06-26-2010, 10:28 PM
I love that ball! My soccer team has one of those and it's awesome to head; feels like I'm not getting any brain damage at all!

That is a bit of a conundrum, though, isn't it? Maybe the brain damage is just so severe you no longer realize it? :)

Ah, sorry, I'm just a bit blue that the US just couldn't bury the ones they should have.

I should also say I'm annoyed. I wanted one of those balls just to have, but the wife found out what they cost...

mathewjgano
06-26-2010, 11:48 PM
That is a bit of a conundrum, though, isn't it? Maybe the brain damage is just so severe you no longer realize it? :)
:freaky: Oh I stopped noticing it a long time ago, but my wife likes to make sure I'm aware just how damaged my brain seems sometimes!:D


Ah, sorry, I'm just a bit blue that the US just couldn't bury the ones they should have.

I should also say I'm annoyed. I wanted one of those balls just to have, but the wife found out what they cost...

I feel your pain. I say I'm rooting for Argentina, but that's just because I figure nobody will take me seriously if I toss the USA team out there. They're proving me wrong more and more though. I love seeing soccer grow in America. Our time will come eventually! And if it makes you feel any better, every time that ball gets cleared way off the field into some bramble or busy road my cousin who owns that ball gets a mildly panicked look to his eye. As sweet as that ball is, it's WAY sweeter to use someone else's!!!

lbb
06-27-2010, 07:20 AM
As things stand right now, I think the "bracket of death" is Paraguay-Japan-Spain-Portugal. I predict Netherlands to give Brazil a bit of a scare in the quarters, but Brazil will prevail. Uruguay to take Ghana and win that one. Germany and Argentina will advance to the quarters but no bet beyond that.

Keith Larman
06-27-2010, 08:50 AM
I love seeing soccer grow in America. Our time will come eventually!

Absolutely. I played growing up and have been addicted for years. My daughter got interested with some friends playing and now she's in club play. An interesting aside is that I was talking with the guy who runs LAFC here in Southern California. He said that that US Soccer is increasingly pushing for better men's programs at the youth level. Ironically the reason is that US Women's soccer is already so powerful on the world stage as compared with the men. In a sense women's soccer arrived already. It's the men who are due and there is a concerted effort at the youth level to get more money, better training, etc. in the soccer programs. I think the US finally showed that we're capable of playing at the highest levels. And given the size of the US and the incredible growth of youth soccer here, the world had better pay attention.

2014...

sakumeikan
06-27-2010, 12:26 PM
England players should be put in the stocks and pelted with cabbages after such a dismal performance.Capello would have been better going to the nearest local public house and picking a team from the first 11 people he met.I bet the 11 picked would have been better than the pathetic bunch of highly paid failures.Only the goalie was any any good, the rest absolute rubbish.Even if the disallowed goal had been given the Germans blizkrieged the British bulldogs [sorry my mistake] the British poodles.

oisin bourke
06-27-2010, 07:43 PM
Isn't The USA applying to host the World Cup?

What happened to England? They were really good in qualifying, but they've looked like a different team in South Africa.

Walter Martindale
06-27-2010, 11:37 PM
Absolutely. I played growing up and have been addicted for years. My daughter got interested with some friends playing and now she's in club play. An interesting aside is that I was talking with the guy who runs LAFC here in Southern California. He said that that US Soccer is increasingly pushing for better men's programs at the youth level. Ironically the reason is that US Women's soccer is already so powerful on the world stage as compared with the men. In a sense women's soccer arrived already. It's the men who are due and there is a concerted effort at the youth level to get more money, better training, etc. in the soccer programs. I think the US finally showed that we're capable of playing at the highest levels. And given the size of the US and the incredible growth of youth soccer here, the world had better pay attention.

2014...
We had a visit from Bob Bigelow (ex NBA), lead author of "Just let the kids play: How to stop other adults from ruining your child's fun and success in youth sports" at a sports coaching conference here in NZ a couple of years ago. One comment he made - "There are about 4 million people in New Zealand - there are about 4 million junior soccer players in America" Or did he say "4 million junior soccer coaches in America" I forget, but a lot of people got thoughtful.. (well, a lot for NZ)...

Doesn't really matter - with that many kids playing the round-ball football, the States will have an impact when more of them get to their late teens and twenties.

Now, if these pro players could stop play-acting injuries...
W

brunotex
07-03-2010, 08:35 AM
Oh, Brasil is out..:( That second half was depressing...

But have you seen Uruguai vs.. Ghana??? WOW, that is football!!!

Now Argentina vs. Germany. I´m opening an Isenbeck and supporting Argentina....

NagaBaba
07-03-2010, 03:11 PM
Germany 4 - Argentina 0 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow that was a match....I can't believe, how Germany is strong. They will win a Cup for sure.

lbb
07-03-2010, 09:30 PM
After that handball vs. Ghana, I hope Uruguay gets the crap kicked out of them by the Netherlands.

brunotex
07-04-2010, 05:32 PM
After that handball vs. Ghana, I hope Uruguay gets the crap kicked out of them by the Netherlands.

Really? I think he did the right thing to do in that very moment. He avoided the goal, and sent the responsibility to Ghana.

Thinking as an Uruguaian, he deserves a statue in front at the Centenario Stadium..

I don´t think it was cheating (he was penalized for putting the hand on the ball..), but maybe I am not seeing things from Ghana´s perspective.....

Keith Larman
07-04-2010, 06:52 PM
Well, it is cheating to the extent that any breaking of rules is cheating. So any intentional infraction is by that definition cheating.

However, in this case it was called, he was red carded and Ghana got the penalty kick. Which is precisely what the rules indicated should happen under the circumstances.

Personally I've always thought there should be a special case in the rules for things like intentional hand balls where the person doing it is literally standing on or within a few feet of the goal line. If the referee thinks that the handball *clearly* prevented a legal goal, well, I'd red card them *and* award the goal. Kind of like the "goaltending" rule in basketball.

Of course that gives the refs extra power and we all know how honest and fair the officiating has been historically at the world cup, but there you go.

Or to expand on other discussions, maybe video replays should be allowed for cases such as the disallowed England goal (does it cross the goal line?) or for review by officials if they believe a defender intentionally hit the ball with their hands to prevent a clear goal.

As it stands the defender in the Ghana game took the route that maximized his odds. The penalty for preventing a tournament ending goal is a red card and *maybe* a goal on a penalty kick. So he goes from "we're out of this tournament" to "maybe we're out but if they miss the penalty kick and we ultimately win I miss the next game but we continue."). It reminds me of pass interference in American Football. If the wide receiver has a clear shot at the end zone if they catch it, well, the pass interference penalty is better than a touch down.

I think it is a shame that Ghana lost. But... They followed the rules to the letter. The officiating was correct *and* the penalty *was* called. So I agree that Ghana *should* be the ones continuing. But... The only way that would happen is if there is a change of the rules.

NagaBaba
07-04-2010, 09:25 PM
I agree Keith. And this competition displayed very clearly that team have to score, otherwise they will nod advance to the next round. I.e.: Ghana was not able to score even from penalty, so it is not surprise that they lost.
Look at Brazil and Argentina - even if they play very well, they couldn't score to win. I hope will be not more defensive soccer in the future.

lbb
07-05-2010, 06:33 AM
Really? I think he did the right thing to do in that very moment. He avoided the goal, and sent the responsibility to Ghana.

Thinking as an Uruguaian, he deserves a statue in front at the Centenario Stadium..

Thinking as a disinterested outsider, I don't think he has anything to be proud of. It was a legal win, but it was a cheap shoddy win. Nothing to be proud of at all.

brunotex
07-05-2010, 06:45 AM
Keith,

You got my point. In today´s rules, it was not cheating. I´ve seen this happen before (one intentionally puts the hand on the ball to avoid a goal), but in the middle of the game, so loosing a player was an actual punishment for the team.

Officials can not award a goal if the whole ball does not cross the goal line. It will transform football into an "American" game with an Encyclopedia of rules, exceptions, and exceptions of exceptions, like baseball or "American Football" (I like those sports the way they are, but undesrtand these thousands of "if....").

Carsten Möllering
07-05-2010, 07:12 AM
Thinking as a disinterested outsider, I don't think he has anything to be proud of. It was a legal win, but it was a cheap shoddy win. Nothing to be proud of at all.
I don't understand? It's the duty of the defender to use his hands if sure that goalkeeper can't get the ball and he himself can't get it in another way!
What should he have done otherwise???
He knows that he will be punished for this and he knows that the other team will get a penalty kick.
But there is no other choice?

Or do you really think he should have let the ball pass???
Every defender here on every football (or soccer) ground would do the same thing. That's the way of the game ...

brunotex
07-05-2010, 09:12 AM
Thinking as a disinterested outsider, I don't think he has anything to be proud of. It was a legal win, but it was a cheap shoddy win. Nothing to be proud of at all.

I have to disagree with you. The way I see that move, he sacrificed himself for the team in a desperate move. And his team won!!! He is proud of himself, and he should be!!
Carsten said it well. Any other player in the world, in the World Cup or in a weekend play with beers and churrasco, would do the same...

If Brazil (or Palmeiras, the team I support in Brazil) lose a game that way, I would think the very same way...

oisin bourke
07-06-2010, 01:50 PM
I have to disagree with you. The way I see that move, he sacrificed himself for the team in a desperate move. And his team won!!! He is proud of himself, and he should be!!
Carsten said it well. Any other player in the world, in the World Cup or in a weekend play with beers and churrasco, would do the same...

If Brazil (or Palmeiras, the team I support in Brazil) lose a game that way, I would think the very same way...

I disagree.

He cheated. He intentionally broke the rules because his team couldn't match Ghana in a fair contest of skill.

That's why he was sent off. The punishment meted out by the referee is irrelevant to the decision made by the player.

If one has to resort to that kind of behaviour, what's the point?

But the Netherlands have just scored a cracking goal, so balance is temporarily restored!

brunotex
07-06-2010, 02:15 PM
I disagree.

He cheated. He intentionally broke the rules because his team couldn't match Ghana in a fair contest of skill.

That's why he was sent off. The punishment meted out by the referee is irrelevant to the decision made by the player.

If one has to resort to that kind of behaviour, what's the point?

But the Netherlands have just scored a cracking goal, so balance is temporarily restored!

Well, We have to agree to disagree. I understand your point, and Mary´s, but I see Suarez move from a different point of view. It happens...

For me, that goal from Luis Fabiano (Brasil) against Ivory Coast is cheating.

Netherlands will win this game because they are better than Uruguai in this WC, but they must remember that Uruguai may have several goalkeepers....:D

oisin bourke
07-06-2010, 02:24 PM
Well, We have to agree to disagree. I understand your point, and Mary´s, but I see Suarez move from a different point of view. It happens...

For me, that goal from Luis Fabiano (Brasil) against Ivory Coast is cheating.



Sure, it's a sport. It's not a life and death matter, unlike, say Aikido:)

I kind of enjoyed Fabiano's goal. It may have been cheating, but it was creative cheating.:D

NagaBaba
07-06-2010, 02:30 PM
For the moment Holland is rather disappointing. They don't control the play, and have to wake up and start to play seriously. It is not the way to get into the final... :(

oisin bourke
07-07-2010, 03:33 PM
Spain and Netherlands final!

A new World Champion.

I really enjoyed both semi finals. The two best teams got through IMO

oisin bourke
07-11-2010, 02:21 PM
The Netherlands should have a goal awarded against them as a penalty for pure malevolence.

Keith Larman
07-11-2010, 04:17 PM
And something rarely seen on this forum... A single word answer to a question.

Spain.

Darryl Cowens
07-12-2010, 01:31 AM
And New Zealand are the only team to finish the tournament without a loss.... :D

Flintstone
07-12-2010, 02:43 AM
S★p★a★i★n

oisin bourke
07-12-2010, 07:24 AM
Netherlands were an absolute disgrace.

But to finish on a positive note:

Congrats to Spain! Great result and great character!
(And congrats to NZ for their unbeaten record with part timers on the team! What a result!)

NagaBaba
07-12-2010, 08:28 AM
I was so disappointed by final game. No technical virtuosity, no good tactic, Am I dreaming or it was top of the top of football? And the referee lost a control of the match…what a shame… :(

Flintstone
07-12-2010, 08:38 AM
No technical virtuosity, no good tactic, Am I dreaming or it was top of the top of football?
Pardon me?

brunotex
07-12-2010, 11:55 AM
Spain deserved the title. They have been keeping the top level since
2002.

Netherlands were more violent than usual, but let´s remember that they were the whole WC the team with more fouls...
That karate kick by de Jong was nice!!! :D

Now 2014, in Brasil. It will be fun.....

Flintstone
07-12-2010, 04:37 PM
That karate kick by de Jong was nice!!! :D
Looked more of a Shaoling thing to me :mad: !!