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Taj Mikel
06-26-2009, 12:18 PM
Hey guys, can I ask a quick question regarding Yoshinkan? How does it differ from what the Birankai organization studies?

ninjaqutie
06-26-2009, 02:29 PM
I have only observed one class of Yoshinkan (when I was looking for a dojo), so I can't really say honestly what the difference is, but I can say that the class I watched and the instructor I watched at this particular dojo where a lot more stiff then the sensei and students are at my dojo.

Sorry I can't be of more help, but why lie.... I honestly don't know the answer to this question. :D

Ron Tisdale
06-26-2009, 03:16 PM
The Birankai is led by Chiba Shihan, an Aikikai instructor of some repute.

The Yoshinkan was founded by Gozo Shioda with the permission of Ueshiba Sensei, in the very early days or just before the Aikikai.

From my limited exposure to the Birankai, they stress a very solid foundation, and I have seen quite a few similarities in terms of both form and waza. I have always enjoyed training with the local Birankai group, and I really respect their instructor. He handled all I could give him quietly, slowly, smoothly and with class.

Best,
Ron

odudog
06-26-2009, 03:40 PM
Yoshinkan is a bit stiff, but that is only in the drills from what I can see from my videos and Youtube. They tend to do a lot of solo practice with everyone doing the same movement at the same time when the instructor barks out the orders. The people with real knowledge always says that Yoshinkan gives a very good foundation of the basics.

Birankai has never been seen by my eyes, however, since Chiba Sensei was part of the Aikikai I would assume that it is more flowing and is practiced in pairs. I've always heard that Chiba does a hard version of Aikido.

ninjaqutie
06-26-2009, 11:18 PM
I can speak of Biranka. My sensei was/is a student of Chiba sensei. We work with partners and balance and flow are stressed. There is nothing stiff or forced in our dojo. That isn't to say that you can't be thrown quit hard on your (_!_) though.... haha.

Nafis Zahir
06-27-2009, 01:32 AM
The Birankai is led by Chiba Shihan, an Aikikai instructor of some repute.

The Yoshinkan was founded by Gozo Shioda with the permission of Ueshiba Sensei, in the very early days or just before the Aikikai.

From my limited exposure to the Birankai, they stress a very solid foundation, and I have seen quite a few similarities in terms of both form and waza. I have always enjoyed training with the local Birankai group, and I really respect their instructor. He handled all I could give him quietly, slowly, smoothly and with class.

Best,
Ron

Thanks! I hope to see you there in September. Chiba Sensei will be instructing.

Ron Tisdale
06-27-2009, 11:41 AM
I will do my best to attend that one, I have long looked forward to taking ukemi from him.

From what I have seen of his instructors, it will be quite a challenge. :)

As to Yoshinkan being stiff, it can appear that way to people not used to the style, since form is stressed so heavily. I have to say though, my teacher is not stiff, the 2nd, 3rd and 4th dans at my dojo are not stiff, none of the guest instructors are stiff. Mudansha, of course, can be something else again, depending on the individual. The adherence to form can come at a price, but it also comes with some benefits.

The ability to teach large groups uniformly

A higher level of one type of martial ability a little earlier (there are other types of martial ability, just as valuable in their own context)

A stress on atemi, and blocking

Increased focus between partners

Amoung other things.

Best,
Ron

ninjaqutie
06-27-2009, 10:36 PM
and don't pay attention to my "Biranka" spelling error. HAHA. I never claimed to have a black belt in spelling. :)

CitoMaramba
06-28-2009, 03:04 AM
I dwell on their similarities more than on their differences.. they both kick major ass :D

Gozo Shioda Kancho in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROXaswf5OWo

T.K. Chiba Shihan in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwdzfmD9GBg

Nafis Zahir
06-28-2009, 07:14 PM
I will do my best to attend that one, I have long looked forward to taking ukemi from him.

From what I have seen of his instructors, it will be quite a challenge. :)
Best,
Ron

Are you sure you want to do that? I took a nikyo from Chiba Sensei sometime ago, and my wrist hurt for 2 weeks! But if you do go up there, leave me your ICE information! Just kidding! LOL!!!

Chris Farnham
06-28-2009, 11:49 PM
Lets not forget the other major difference...weapons. Chiba sensei and his students stress weapons training as an important, and integral part of Aikido training, whereas Shioda sensei did little if any weapons training(I believe).

NagaBaba
06-29-2009, 11:01 AM
As to Yoshinkan being stiff, it can appear that way to people not used to the style, since form is stressed so heavily.
ok, let's say not stiff but robotic :p ;)

The ability to teach large groups uniformly
I was always wondering how these guys deal with transmission in such large groups..


A stress on atemi, and blocking
BLOCKING?? :eek: pretty scarry.... how can you be fluid while doing blocks? :p BTW, I've never seen O sensei doing any block in his video....:D :D :D :D :D

ok, ok, I'll shut up now....;)

NagaBaba
06-29-2009, 12:06 PM
oouuppssss.... I completly forgot to add a warning!! IT IS A JOKE - Ron, don't take it seriously.

Ron Tisdale
06-29-2009, 03:20 PM
:D Hey Mr. S, just search on ebudo for our "blocking" conversation. [yokeru, yokeru, avoid, avoid...] :D

hi Chris,

Different schools under the IYAF have different emphasis on buki waza. Utada Sensei was uchideshi under Kushida Sensei. Plenty of buki waza at our school, solo work from 9th kyu, paired work from about 7th or 6th kyu, tanto, jo, and bokken. I don't think I've ever had any trouble picking up aikikai weapons in any dojo I've been in, including the Iwama school in France.

Best,
Ron

Chris Farnham
06-30-2009, 10:06 PM
Thanks for clarifying Ron. I was under the impression that Yoshinkan did empty hands only accross the board. Do you have any youtube links of some of the bukiwaza you do? I am pretty familliar with Chiba sensei's system from my dojo in the states and have started to learn some of the Iwama system in Iwama and here in Hamamatsu where I live now. I would be interested to see what is simmillar and what is different.

Chris

Ron Tisdale
07-01-2009, 08:01 AM
Hi Chris,

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=yoshinkan+buki+waza&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#q=yoshinkan+weapons&hl=en&emb=0

Should get you started. You can also check out Kushida Sensei's website, he might have something posted there. Also, at one point, Yagyu Shinkage Ryu was being taught at the hombu dojo.

Best,
Ron