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aikishrine
04-06-2009, 09:37 AM
Has anyone seen or heard of any fatal or near fatal injuries due to aikido training?

I was on a Judo forum the other day and read where someone has seen statistics that there have been more fatal injuries or paralyzing injuries due to Aikido practice than Judo practice. I just wanted to get your thoughts.

Demetrio Cereijo
04-06-2009, 09:50 AM
I don't know about comparative studies but you can start here:

Aikido and Injuries: Special Report (http://www.aikidojournal.com/article?articleID=8)

Ketsan
04-06-2009, 03:34 PM
To my way of thinking it's hardly suprising. A lot of effort has gone into removing anything from Judo which might actually cause injury, even in shiai. In fact virtually from its inception Judo techniques were designed to be safe.

There hasn't really been such a drive in Aikido.

bkedelen
04-06-2009, 03:40 PM
Even if that is true, Aikido is hardly a dangerous pastime. Marathon running has a mortality rate you would not believe.
Of significantly more concern to me than the fact that Aikido training has not evolved to minimize injury is that Aikido often implicitly or explicitly discourages participants from maintaining a reasonable level of physical fitness. The stigma that Aikido is the martial art for overweight people is well earned, and it does not take much searching to find examples of experienced Aikidoka advising their kohai that physical fitness is either not necessary or detrimental to learning Aikido. It is easy to demonstrate the physical fitness is either beneficial or critical to every physical discipline other than martial arts. There are even Chess grand masters who talk about physical fitness being an important part of their tournament preparation.

Ron Tisdale
04-06-2009, 03:58 PM
I can honestly say that I have never heard in a yoshinkan dojo that physical fitness is not important.

Especially the middle aged students where I train tend to do something besides aikido for physical fitness...running, yoga, something.

Best,
Ron (not particularly dedicated to my yoga training, but that is my preferred method)

bkedelen
04-06-2009, 05:07 PM
I do not have much experience with Yoshinkan personally, but I must say that Shioda sensei set a great example for his students, always appearing to be well-maintained. I would love to know the ratio of Yoshinkan dojo injuries to total Aikido dojo injuries :)

aikidoc
04-06-2009, 06:46 PM
There was a neck fracture several years ago resulting in paraplegia when a female shodan had a beginner fall on her when she was apparently in the middle of a backward roll.

JohnRN
04-07-2009, 04:45 PM
I was at a Dennis Hooker Sensei/Doc Jones Sensei Seminar about 10 years ago at Vanderbilt University (my first seminar actually) and I remember (or at least I think I remember) Hooker Sensei really imprinting on us the importance of tucking our heads during rolling. He then mentioned I believe something about a student that he had that did a roll and because her head wasn't tucked when she landed or fell into someone she managed to break her neck. I don't remember if she died or if it was just paraplegia. And as this was something that I think I remember from 10 years ago there is a possibility that I misheard him.

John

akiy
04-07-2009, 05:41 PM
There was a neck fracture several years ago resulting in paraplegia when a female shodan had a beginner fall on her when she was apparently in the middle of a backward roll.

He then mentioned I believe something about a student that he had that did a roll and because her head wasn't tucked when she landed or fell into someone she managed to break her neck. I don't remember if she died or if it was just paraplegia.

Here is a post about this very unfortunate incident:

http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showpost.php?p=166440&postcount=54

-- Jun