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gdandscompserv
08-04-2008, 07:19 PM
Recently moved to a location close enough to work to make riding a bicycle to work feasible.:)
Morning 1. Big dog chases me. Scares the crap outa me. Disengage foot from toe clip thinking I would kick him in the nose. Never came to that. Spent the rest of the day thinking about it.
Morning 2. Armed myself with a spray bottle, contents; ammonia. It's on now. Chemical warfare baby. Same dog. Sees me. I grab for my bottle, adrenaline pumping. Damn dog just looks at me and barks.
Morning 3. Still packin. First dog runs out. I spray. CRAP! Nozzle set to mist. Dog stays out of range. Whew, that wasn't bad. Failed to adjust nozzle as I thought I was home free. Then it happened! Five of 'em. Another house further down the road. I quickly fumbled for my spray bottle, and judged the large aggressive pit bull to be the most imminent threat. He was behind me and consequently downwind. Spraying madly he ran into a fine mist wall of amonia and stopped dead in his tracks. Other four dogs seemed to back off at that point. Looked up and noticed the dog owners on their porch casually watching this fine rural gladiator match. What I really wanted at that point is to hurt some irresponsible dog owners. Rode off thinking about the possibility of a confrontation with the stupid dog owners. Would I use aikido, or would I give em a fine blast of ammonia and ride off on my bicycle?
Does anyone know of an aikido technique or internal skill that works against dogs?
If aikido doesn't work against dogs, and ammonia or pepper spray is so effective against dogs and people, why the hell do I spend so much time on the mat?:D

B.J.M.
08-04-2008, 07:24 PM
Umm, yeah.........

rob_liberti
08-04-2008, 08:17 PM
I have to say that morning 2 I would have tried a different street myself.

I suppose you _could_ buy your own massive dog that could run along with you when you ride your bike...

Or you could through sausage links in any of the dog owner's convertables if they have one...

Good luck. - Rob

Kevin Leavitt
08-04-2008, 11:17 PM
lol you are cracking me up! Very funny stuff!

I learned not to run in Romania a few months ago!

Janet Rosen
08-04-2008, 11:19 PM
In play,friendly dogs are marvelous for practicing aikido principles and some techniques. Problem with aikido on an agressive dog is same ais aikido on somebody with a knife: you may come out ahead but chances are you will get cut (bit) in the process.

Rocky Izumi
08-04-2008, 11:45 PM
Used to practice on my dogs a lot until they learned Aikido. Watched my Springer Spaniel male breeder break a Doberman's leg with a rolling kotegaeshi.

Iriminage works best but you need to be doing everything in Hanmi Handachi so you need to be quick on your knees. You end up being too exposed in lower parts when standing and dog can pull you down. Also, you need to learn grappling and to learn to hold the dog's head and push your hand or arm into their throat to make them let go but you can't hold them with just one hand. You have to grab them with your legs as well. Unfortunately, this leaves you exposed to the other dogs. When I was grappling with the stud, the bitch would come in and lick my face until I gave up. If it was a real fight, I would be dead or badly mauled so grappling is not a good option when facing multiple dogs. Also, dogs learn to work in teams and one will attack your back while you face another one so you have to have a real good tenkan movement on your knees. I just don't recommend this practice a lot because I have screwed up my knees so bad from doing this type of practice.

Recommendation: don't go down that road.

Rock

Hebrew Hammer
08-05-2008, 01:17 AM
Go bike riding with Cesar Millan next time....

Shany
08-05-2008, 01:18 AM
heheheheheheh irimi nage on my dog hehehe

phitruong
08-05-2008, 08:05 AM
aikido only worked against hotdog, with slaw and chili along with some onions.

What I found that worked well with dogs are lemongrass and ginger. we asians don't have problem with dogs. :D

Saw a show "the dog whisperer" or something like that. It's amazing the amount of psychology in animal control. the guy talked about energy and extending and center and personal space. he said something along the line, that if the dog sensed your energy collapse as in fear, the dog attacked. so much like aikido. saw he control the aggression of a nasty dog with a tennis racket (no, he didn't send it to the moon!).

Rafael Martinez
08-05-2008, 10:45 AM
Aikido technique vs. dog? Who knows?
Aikido awarness vs. dog? You bet. Your ammonia bottle is a good example.
How about Aikido philosophy vs. dog? Perhaps take a different route?
I have to agree with Phi Truong, I prefer my dogs cooked. Hehe.

Tony Wagstaffe
08-05-2008, 11:14 AM
Don't know..... why not invite some along to the dojo and get them to join in..... hee hee!
I've had some "dogs" try and join the dojo but sent them on their way..... to a "spiritual" dojo somewhere else.....its the "doggy" breath and smell of stale marujianna that's a bit off putting..... gaag!
Tony

phitruong
08-05-2008, 12:42 PM
Rick, have you try to "mark" your route? :) don't forget to "mark" your bike as well. dogs respect those sort of thing. :) sort of like setups a maai distance.

eric_lecaptain
08-05-2008, 12:48 PM
Recently moved to a location close enough to work to make riding a bicycle to work feasible.:)
Morning 1. Big dog chases me. Scares the crap outa me. Disengage foot from toe clip thinking I would kick him in the nose. Never came to that. Spent the rest of the day thinking about it.
Morning 2. Armed myself with a spray bottle, contents; ammonia. It's on now. Chemical warfare baby. Same dog. Sees me. I grab for my bottle, adrenaline pumping. Damn dog just looks at me and barks.
Morning 3. Still packin. First dog runs out. I spray. CRAP! Nozzle set to mist. Dog stays out of range. Whew, that wasn't bad. Failed to adjust nozzle as I thought I was home free. Then it happened! Five of 'em. Another house further down the road. I quickly fumbled for my spray bottle, and judged the large aggressive pit bull to be the most imminent threat. He was behind me and consequently downwind. Spraying madly he ran into a fine mist wall of amonia and stopped dead in his tracks. Other four dogs seemed to back off at that point. Looked up and noticed the dog owners on their porch casually watching this fine rural gladiator match. What I really wanted at that point is to hurt some irresponsible dog owners. Rode off thinking about the possibility of a confrontation with the stupid dog owners. Would I use aikido, or would I give em a fine blast of ammonia and ride off on my bicycle?
Does anyone know of an aikido technique or internal skill that works against dogs?
If aikido doesn't work against dogs, and ammonia or pepper spray is so effective against dogs and people, why the hell do I spend so much time on the mat?:D

OMG is that funny!!! thanks for the laugh.
but i guess maybe go with pepper spray (careful not to run into a parked car while "fumbling" with the can)....

gdandscompserv
08-05-2008, 01:52 PM
I have to say that morning 2 I would have tried a different street myself.
lol. You must be from the city. Different street not an option. Only one way to get to work.

I suppose you _could_ buy your own massive dog that could run along with you when you ride your bike...
Not a bad idea actually. Except what do I do with massive dog while at work.

Or you could through sausage links in any of the dog owner's convertables if they have one...
Considered lacing hamburger with poison but decided that would be in-humane.

I learned not to run in Romania a few months ago!
Not running is good except not "running" would mean I would not make it to work. Not an option. Did consider stopping and placing the bike between the beasts and I while spraying with ammonia but decided to ride on.

Rick, have you try to "mark" your route? :) don't forget to "mark" your bike as well.
I have layed a steam down in front of every house. Marking my bike? That's a thought.

OMG is that funny!!! thanks for the laugh.
but i guess maybe go with pepper spray (careful not to run into a parked car while "fumbling" with the can)....
Situation is definitely challenging my awareness skills. Like pepper spray but too expensive.

Morning 4. Armed myself with industrial sized spray bottle. Fit's nicely on the handlebars. While putting on my helmet and other riding gear, I felt like I was putting on my armor and readying my weapons for battle. Perhaps a tinge of what the real thing feels like. That pit bull was quite scary. Adreniline pumping, heart rate elevated, I approach first house where pit bull lives. Nothing. Not a dog in sight. In fact, no dogs in sight this morning. Hope stupid pet owners keep dogs in house forever. Feel a little bit disappointed that I didn't get to engage in battle, but think it's better that way. Begining to wonder why I study aikido if it can't protect me from this this current threat to my body. Perhaps I will invent a new martial art. Perhaps ammoniado or spraydo. Good opportunity to become soke. Maybe set up bicycle training course with mean dogs to train waza.:D

eric_lecaptain
08-05-2008, 03:38 PM
lol. You must be from the city. Different street not an option. Only one way to get to work.

Not a bad idea actually. Except what do I do with massive dog while at work.

Considered lacing hamburger with poison but decided that would be in-humane.

Not running is good except not "running" would mean I would not make it to work. Not an option. Did consider stopping and placing the bike between the beasts and I while spraying with ammonia but decided to ride on.

I have layed a steam down in front of every house. Marking my bike? That's a thought.

Situation is definitely challenging my awareness skills. Like pepper spray but too expensive.

Morning 4. Armed myself with industrial sized spray bottle. Fit's nicely on the handlebars. While putting on my helmet and other riding gear, I felt like I was putting on my armor and readying my weapons for battle. Perhaps a tinge of what the real thing feels like. That pit bull was quite scary. Adreniline pumping, heart rate elevated, I approach first house where pit bull lives. Nothing. Not a dog in sight. In fact, no dogs in sight this morning. Hope stupid pet owners keep dogs in house forever. Feel a little bit disappointed that I didn't get to engage in battle, but think it's better that way. Begining to wonder why I study aikido if it can't protect me from this this current threat to my body. Perhaps I will invent a new martial art. Perhaps ammoniado or spraydo. Good opportunity to become soke. Maybe set up bicycle training course with mean dogs to train waza.:D

hmmm, this is challenging! lol
here, maybe this movie can provide you with some incite into "other options" for these dogs... :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHTzczh96u8

Ron Tisdale
08-05-2008, 03:50 PM
You have my sympathies!

I remember riding down a street while in college with this stupid little beagle going up and down as I peddled and he hung on to my heel. :(

Pit Bull would definately be worse! Watch the dog whisperer...someday you may not have spray and wheels!

B,
R

Chris Li
08-05-2008, 03:51 PM
Gozo Shioda used to train with his dog, although he didn't recommend it for everyone. Also, the dog apparently became so vicious that nobody but Shioda himself could handle it.

Best,

Chris

Michael Hackett
08-05-2008, 04:22 PM
When I was a little kid my Dad would ride his motorcycle to work and was vexed by a pack of ranch dogs. As he was riding on rural, gravel roads, the option of going real fast wasn't available (and I don't think his ancient Harley went real fast anyway). He loaded a squirt gun up with ammonia and thought he had the solution (no pun intended). That didn't work out too well as he managed to get the ammonia in his own eyes and rode his bike through a fence and into a big vegetable garden. The dogs did the doggy equivilent of laughing their tails off.

Then someone suggested using a fan belt from a diesel truck as a whip. Good plan and poor execution ensued. Dad wrapped the belt around his hand and whipped the thing at the lead dog. He missed, hit the roadway and the belt bounced back and smacked him in the eye. He, his motorcycle and his fan belt all ended up in a heap in the gravel road. The fan belt was still intact, but Pop's hide and motorcycle were worse for the wear. And....the dogs bit the crap out of him as he lay under the bike.

Dad started driving to work after he healed.

gdandscompserv
08-05-2008, 05:01 PM
Good plan and poor execution ensued.
Story of my life right there Michael. Good to hear from you. I really want to continue riding my bike to work. Wish me luck.:D

Michael Hackett
08-05-2008, 06:22 PM
Ricky,

There is a product called Halt! which is carried by letter carriers a lot for dog problems. Its basically a pepper spray in a small canister with a belt clip and runs less than $10 at places like WalMart. That might be worth checking out. Just don't spray yourself or you'll end up in a vegetable garden! That stuff hurts!

gdandscompserv
08-05-2008, 07:36 PM
Ricky,

There is a product called Halt! which is carried by letter carriers a lot for dog problems. Its basically a pepper spray in a small canister with a belt clip and runs less than $10 at places like WalMart. That might be worth checking out. Just don't spray yourself or you'll end up in a vegetable garden! That stuff hurts!
lol.
I did a little research online regarding pepper spray for dogs. Halt huh? I know your Pop had a bad experience with ammonia but my Pop swore by it. Just the scent of ammonia seemed to back off that pit pull. Let's say I'm not overly confident of my ability to 'shoot' straight while trying to maintain an upright position on my ride. With the pepper spray I need to hit em in the eye for it to be effective don't I? Pepper spray's only good for about 10 total seconds right? What if I'm a really bad shot. With my bottle of ammonia I'm good for at least a hundred good shots. I might try pepper spray though. Do you suppose the dogs will learn after being sprayed a few times?

Michael Hackett
08-05-2008, 09:21 PM
Ricky,

Honestly I don't know about the Halt! product as my experience is with the OC spray carried by law enforcement. I think they act the same way, but the Halt! is less powerful. With OC it usually is deployed as a stream that is aimed at the chest area and micro drops and vapors affect the eyes, nose, and skin. The number of shots varies between size of canister and brand as does the range of the stream. I know the ammonia works, but I was thinking that the small canister would be more efficient on the bike. From what friends have told me, the pepper spray is the defense of choice in the bear country of Alaska and supposedly more effective than firearms for personal protection.

Will they learn from the experience? I dunno for sure, but the crooks usually do. I know that I don't want any more of it.

rob_liberti
08-05-2008, 09:38 PM
Maybe you can go buy yourself a pet skunk.

Does this belong in the humor section? It's really not going to be much about aikido. I believe we are all just reading it to laugh and crack jokes.

Rob

gdandscompserv
08-05-2008, 10:33 PM
Maybe you can go buy yourself a pet skunk.

Does this belong in the humor section? It's really not going to be much about aikido. I believe we are all just reading it to laugh and crack jokes.

Rob
Oh yeah, it's funny now, but it wasn't very damn funny while pedaling furiously to avoid being mr. pit bull's lunch.:eek:

Jun,
Since it seems impossible to perform aikido on dogs, and everybody thinks it's so damn funny about my being chased by dogs,;) please feel free to move this to humor.:D

mickeygelum
08-05-2008, 10:56 PM
What I found that worked well with dogs are lemongrass and ginger. we asians don't have problem with dogs.


Ahhhhhhahahahahahahahahahahahh.....:D

Train well,

Mickey

Connor Haberland
08-05-2008, 11:56 PM
Not running is good except not "running" would mean I would not make it to work. Not an option. Did consider stopping and placing the bike between the beasts and I while spraying with ammonia but decided to ride on.



LOL. Use your bike as cover, and lay on suppressive fire with the ammonia.

I had a similar run in about two years back. I missed the bus to school, so my mom was going to drive me. I was walking up the steps to the van, and I hear barking. "Oh Crap." Next thing I know, Im running. The neighbor came out and called him off. The Funny thing was, My sister(rides the same bus) jumped in the Van and closed the door(that was an Oh crap moment too). No wonder I was running. I was thinking about it all day, and when I got home, my Dad told me not to run. Just stay Still. My natural reaction was to run. That's all that was on my mind. RUN. At least I left without a scratch. I think running from the dog prolonged the situation long enough for the owner to realize what was going on(Oh Yeah, they were outside at the time).

You're not the only one Rick. I realized I could've used my backpack to keep it at bay.

Connor

deathlinenetworks
08-11-2008, 11:42 AM
Made me laughed. hahahaha.... and I am still laughing. irimi tenkan and kick them off. hahaha

Keith Larman
08-11-2008, 12:46 PM
Just fwiw, my wife and I raise, train and show dogs fwiw. My wife also works professionally as a trainer as a side-line.

The problem of dogs and bikes is a tough one. Mostly because it ain't your dog... ;)

Remember that many breeds have a strong prey drive -- i.e., they like to chase things that are moving. So when you ride by or run like hell their little canine brain goes "COOL! Let's GOOOOOOO" and you're off to the races. A pretty common way to teach a recall (calling the dog to you) is to start by calling their name, giving the command, then turning and running away. You kick in their natural instinct to chase and once they come in close you give them a treat/praise/whatever. So when you're biking past or running by a dog it is at a minimum a big game. For more aggressive dogs it might kick in a true prey instinct -- i.e., must kill the thing running away.

Another aspect is what is called territorial aggression -- i.e., you've invaded their space. That's why dogs don't like the mailman, delivery people, etc. They hear/see them often enough to realize "that jerk keeps coming back and crossing into my territory! I must bit them...". Same happens if the dog sees you on the bike periodically. Not only are you fun to chase but you're an invader too.

Frankly the best "aiki" thing to do IMHO is to call the local animal control and file a complaint about a loose, aggressive dog. If not them try to police. That's the proactive thing to do. The owners are taking a huge risk at a major lawsuit if someone gets hurt -- imagine a little kid riding by on his bike? Aggressive dogs shouldn't be out in public. Simple as that. And owners have a responsibility to control their animals. I have a female australian shepherd who became very dog aggressive after our daughter was born. Some weird maternal thing kicked in and she decided any other dog near my wife or the kid must be a major threat. We tried to train it out of her but in the end we decided it was better to simply not let her get near other dogs. Safer.

Keith Larman
08-11-2008, 12:52 PM
Oh, forgot some other things...

Ammonia works well. Remember their sense of smell is virtually an order of magnitude more powerful. Shoot for their nose -- the eyes aren't your target. Any pepper spray works too although you're really upping the ante. Of course if the owners are stupid enough to let their dog run free, well, the dog is going to have to pay for their callousness.

And if a dog does chase you or makes any contact file a complaint immediately. And get treated -- dog bites can get really nasty infections. Cats are worse, but dog bites are bad enough. But file a complaint -- too many laws are being passed now controlling virtually every aspect of dog ownership mostly due to jerks who don't bother training/controlling/spaying/neutering their dogs. People like that shouldn't have dogs in the first place.

Ryokan
08-11-2008, 08:25 PM
Does the dog behave the same way if you get off your bike and walk past?

gdandscompserv
08-12-2008, 10:53 AM
Pit bull now stops in his tracks at the mere sight of my spray bottle. Still comes charging out from the house to the road but stays just out of range of my spray. I still fire off some shots in the air behind me, happily marking my territory. Still consider dog to be a threat. Am going to order pepper spray. I'm thinking about designing some type of automated delivery mechanism for ammonia. I would like to have pressurized ammonia spray come out of between three and five different nozzles mounted on the frame of my bike. It would be alot more convenient to be able to spray ammonia at five different angles at the touch of a button. Anybody got any ideas?:D

phitruong
08-12-2008, 12:45 PM
there is this thing called super soaker water gun. fill with ammonia or vinegar. strap a couple of super soaker on your bike. declare war on the dogs. or try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yFUtJhUb7Q
:) it's morbid but kinda funny.

Keith Gotschall
08-12-2008, 06:38 PM
I would stick with the ammonia if it is working. Lots cheaper, and in case of accident you just smell clean. :)

I was in a department store when some knucklehead in sporting goods just had to "try" the pepper spray. The whole store was voluntarily evacuated as the "little squirt" of mace was distributed through the air conditioning vents. It didn't make anyone double over (that I saw) but you could hear a wave of coughing fits move through the store!

I would think a couple direct hits would make the dog learn who is boss. You da boss!

A buddy of mine who flies hunters and fishers into the Alaskan bush tells a hilarious story of some hikers from Seattle. His boss made the couple buy "bear repellent", one can each, because they weren't going to have a gun of any kind with them. They were heading for Grizzly country to take photos. Anyway, my friend drops them off, gives a last look down as he heads back to Anchorage and see what he thinks is the guy having a heart attack. Does some kind of emergency power glide up to them to render assistance, and finds out they thought bear spray worked like mosquito repellent. The guy had turned to his girlfriend and said "OK, you spray me first and then I will spray you" He turns around and wham, is on the ground rolling in agony!:D My buddy the pilot drags him into the lake and while shoving his head underwater repeatedly yells, "You spray it AT the bears, spray it AT the bears..."
Urban legend, possibly, but every time I doubt this guy he comes up with proof.... and a wilder story.

Best of luck, keep riding! Keith

Michael Hackett
08-12-2008, 08:23 PM
Ricky,

I have this image of you and your Rube Goldburg 007 Cycle with the pressurized system going down the road.....you set off the jets and find at least one has jiggled from road vibration and now strikes you fully in the eyes, while the others spray so strongly that you and your bicycle start spinning on at least two planes. All the while, the pitbull sits in his yard thinking "The fan belt would have been more fun, not as funny, but more fun!"

phitruong
08-14-2008, 09:30 AM
Pit bull now stops in his tracks at the mere sight of my spray bottle. Still comes charging out from the house to the road but stays just out of range of my spray. I still fire off some shots in the air behind me, happily marking my territory. Still consider dog to be a threat. Am going to order pepper spray. I'm thinking about designing some type of automated delivery mechanism for ammonia. I would like to have pressurized ammonia spray come out of between three and five different nozzles mounted on the frame of my bike. It would be alot more convenient to be able to spray ammonia at five different angles at the touch of a button. Anybody got any ideas?:D

Ricky,
found the answer to your problem. check this out http://water-wheels.com/index.html :D

jennifer paige smith
08-19-2008, 10:48 AM
Hi Ricky,
How are ya?

I've been thinking about this topic for the weeks that it is has been here. I waited to respond until something 'came to me'.
Well, here's what came to me.
Mental Framework:

You can't use aikido against anything. You have to use it with 'something'; be it dog, cat, boss, cheeky forum posters..., etc.

The description of your plight sounds like you're attemting Kaeshi-Waza against someone who out-ranks(skills) you in the dojo.
OLD DOG:NEW DOG
They've set up territory, they have determined all the rules which you don't yet know, and they are maintaining their 'status-quo' as big dog. Fight or flight might be our first line of response, but placing your mind in the position of Uke wil allow 2nd line responses to emerge. The dog is attemting to communicate one thing. You will hear the holes in his strategy when you relax your thoughts. You will be handed some gem of wisdom to deal with this situation in an aikido fashion if you really let yourself receive . Not the dogs bite, but the dogs intention.
Don't try to reverse it yet. Just go with the situation in your mind for a little while. You're going to come up with something that blows even your own mind. And then you'll be the 'nage whisperer'.

Good luck. I know it can get 'Ruff' out there.

Ketsan
08-19-2008, 10:58 AM
Recently moved to a location close enough to work to make riding a bicycle to work feasible.:)
Morning 1. Big dog chases me. Scares the crap outa me. Disengage foot from toe clip thinking I would kick him in the nose. Never came to that. Spent the rest of the day thinking about it.
Morning 2. Armed myself with a spray bottle, contents; ammonia. It's on now. Chemical warfare baby. Same dog. Sees me. I grab for my bottle, adrenaline pumping. Damn dog just looks at me and barks.
Morning 3. Still packin. First dog runs out. I spray. CRAP! Nozzle set to mist. Dog stays out of range. Whew, that wasn't bad. Failed to adjust nozzle as I thought I was home free. Then it happened! Five of 'em. Another house further down the road. I quickly fumbled for my spray bottle, and judged the large aggressive pit bull to be the most imminent threat. He was behind me and consequently downwind. Spraying madly he ran into a fine mist wall of amonia and stopped dead in his tracks. Other four dogs seemed to back off at that point. Looked up and noticed the dog owners on their porch casually watching this fine rural gladiator match. What I really wanted at that point is to hurt some irresponsible dog owners. Rode off thinking about the possibility of a confrontation with the stupid dog owners. Would I use aikido, or would I give em a fine blast of ammonia and ride off on my bicycle?
Does anyone know of an aikido technique or internal skill that works against dogs?
If aikido doesn't work against dogs, and ammonia or pepper spray is so effective against dogs and people, why the hell do I spend so much time on the mat?:D

Clearly you need vastly superior firepower...........................invest in a super soaker and/or a water mortar.

Ketsan
08-19-2008, 11:04 AM
Pit bull now stops in his tracks at the mere sight of my spray bottle. Still comes charging out from the house to the road but stays just out of range of my spray. I still fire off some shots in the air behind me, happily marking my territory. Still consider dog to be a threat. Am going to order pepper spray. I'm thinking about designing some type of automated delivery mechanism for ammonia. I would like to have pressurized ammonia spray come out of between three and five different nozzles mounted on the frame of my bike. It would be alot more convenient to be able to spray ammonia at five different angles at the touch of a button. Anybody got any ideas?:D

Water mortar. 1 balloon filled with ammonia launched at dog from a safe distance (8 meters).

jennifer paige smith
08-19-2008, 11:17 AM
Water mortar. 1 balloon filled with ammonia launched at dog from a safe distance (8 meters).

Dog biscuit from 4 meters.

Ewan Wilson
08-19-2008, 12:12 PM
Ueshiba wrote:

" Do not look upon this world with fear and loathing. Bravely face whatever the gods offer."

Maybe you should eat the dog. Or you could just get the bus.

Mary Eastland
08-19-2008, 12:23 PM
Hi Ricky,
How are ya?

I've been thinking about this topic for the weeks that it is has been here. I waited to respond until something 'came to me'.
Well, here's what came to me.
Mental Framework:

You can't use aikido against anything. You have to use it with 'something'; be it dog, cat, boss, cheeky forum posters..., etc.

The description of your plight sounds like you're attemting Kaeshi-Waza against someone who out-ranks(skills) you in the dojo.
OLD DOG:NEW DOG
They've set up territory, they have determined all the rules which you don't yet know, and they are maintaining their 'status-quo' as big dog. Fight or flight might be our first line of response, but placing your mind in the position of Uke wil allow 2nd line responses to emerge. The dog is attemting to communicate one thing. You will hear the holes in his strategy when you relax your thoughts. You will be handed some gem of wisdom to deal with this situation in an aikido fashion if you really let yourself receive . Not the dogs bite, but the dogs intention.
Don't try to reverse it yet. Just go with the situation in your mind for a little while. You're going to come up with something that blows even your own mind. And then you'll be the 'nage whisperer'.

Good luck. I know it can get 'Ruff' out there.

Brilliant...it is a lot like trying to talk about ideas on here....lol.

Doggies teach me so much about myself....more often I am fearful of the owners than the dogs...:D

I notice how I feel when I see big dogs. I can tell if they are dangerous or not by the how they carry themselves...it is something I have studied my whole life because I am terrified of some dogs.
Mary

jennifer paige smith
08-19-2008, 01:24 PM
Brilliant...it is a lot like trying to talk about ideas on here....lol.

Doggies teach me so much about myself....more often I am fearful of the owners than the dogs...:D

I notice how I feel when I see big dogs. I can tell if they are dangerous or not by the how they carry themselves...it is something I have studied my whole life because I am terrified of some dogs.
Mary

Thanks.
I find people are infinitely more complicated than dogs and I'm pretty good at reading them. Fact is, people scare me more than dogs. They have a much larger capacity for delusion and get mad when you touch their ears.;)

More wag, less bark!,
Jen

gdandscompserv
08-19-2008, 03:23 PM
Thanks.
I find people are infinitely more complicated than dogs and I'm pretty good at reading them. Fact is, people scare me more than dogs.
I have no problem reading mr. pit bull; he wants to eat me!:eek:

Fact is, people scare me more than dogs.
You obviously haven't met mr. pit bull.:eek:

jennifer paige smith
08-19-2008, 05:31 PM
I have no problem reading mr. pit bull; he wants to eat me!:eek:

You obviously haven't met mr. pit bull.:eek:

Yes, I have. He trains in almost every dojo I've been to.

Maybe the mr. pit bull you're meeting wants to eat, but not you.

Just trying to throw ya a bone here.:p

Keep workin' those pedals.:)

bye 4 now

Chicko Xerri
08-19-2008, 07:46 PM
When you begin to remove Aikido out from the confinds of Martial Arts you will be able to use Aikido in any situation. Aikido was never refered to as Martial Arts by Osensei. Kung fu, on the other hand can be used for fighting dogs. You can take on a dog form to meet the challange but dont loose the fight. They eat dogs in China.!:)

eyrie
08-19-2008, 08:10 PM
I believe Chicko is referring to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_Kung_Fu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9nQ9hwUB18&feature=related

I think you pretty much screwed your chances of using Aikido in any form with Mr. Pit Bull now... ;) Personally, I find that having a supply of Smacko's handy works really well.

gdandscompserv
08-19-2008, 10:08 PM
kungfu is cool:cool:

jennifer paige smith
08-19-2008, 10:13 PM
So are Smacko's. Whatever they are.

eyrie
08-19-2008, 11:09 PM
Sorry for the typo - it's Schmackos... as in dogs go wacko for Schmackos.

http://www.schmackos.com.au/

David Paul
08-20-2008, 11:06 AM
Just bring some cookies and dont hurt the dog. Maybe it just wants to play with you.

gregg block
08-20-2008, 05:21 PM
Cats yes, dogs not so much. But then cats are just a bunch of pussies anyway almost anything would work.

phitruong
08-20-2008, 06:02 PM
kungfu is cool:cool:

hard to do kungfu on bike, very painful, especially if you are not wearing the "protector".

Have you thought of bicycle joust? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnfwhwMaK9U

:D

Hebrew Hammer
08-20-2008, 07:25 PM
Mayhaps you could fashiion some Pork Chop Nunchuks? Not very Akido like, I know, but weave them in very circular pattern about the head and shoulders.

That also assumes Mr Pit Bull isn't indeed of the Hebrew persuasion...if thats the case go with some T-bones.

Michael Hackett
08-21-2008, 12:40 AM
Lessee here.......rural and isolated area, dog owners with no sense of responsibility, and at least one pitbull. Sounds like probable cause for a search warrant. No, not enough yet....are the owners skinny with bad skin?

Chicko Xerri
08-21-2008, 05:11 AM
Hi Ignatius
I hope all is well

gdandscompserv
08-21-2008, 08:02 AM
Lessee here.......rural and isolated area, dog owners with no sense of responsibility, and at least one pitbull. Sounds like probable cause for a search warrant. No, not enough yet....are the owners skinny with bad skin?
lol
yes

Michael Hackett
08-21-2008, 09:24 AM
Lots of tattoos and bad teeth? Maybe an occasional chemical smell in the air? The high desert of Southern California? I wonder if it could be.......nah, not even a possibility.

gdandscompserv
08-21-2008, 09:56 AM
Lots of tattoos and bad teeth? Maybe an occasional chemical smell in the air? The high desert of Southern California? I wonder if it could be.......nah, not even a possibility.
Tweeker heaven!:grr:

jennifer paige smith
08-21-2008, 01:09 PM
In that case......may I suggest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8AJVDW2oJM&feature=related

or perhaps.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAs7oUzOtFU&feature=related