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eric_lecaptain
07-11-2008, 02:00 PM
anyone have any insights on aikido bujutsu??
it seems to be a relative of traditional aikido but i cant seem to find much info about where it came from, ect....
i dunno, let me know if ya can plz...

Timothy WK
07-11-2008, 03:01 PM
Where did you come across the term?

eric_lecaptain
07-11-2008, 04:06 PM
Where did you come across the term?

there is a dojo in wisconsin where this is the form they practice.
http://local.yahoo.com/info-16824279-aikido-bujutsu-kimberly

eric_lecaptain
07-11-2008, 07:59 PM
Where did you come across the term?

hey maybe this will help with the identification process.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VlPFc5dhOo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1O5K5KCXWM

it looks sorta like aikido but i cant find any reference to where or when it started.... :confused:

Mark Gibbons
07-11-2008, 11:35 PM
Aikido bujutsu and aikibujutsu are likely to be substantially different. Aikido bujutsu sounds like the name of the dojo, rather than a style. So the videos are unlikely to be related. Why not go watch if it's close enough?

Regards,
Mark

eric_lecaptain
07-12-2008, 11:21 AM
Aikido bujutsu and aikibujutsu are likely to be substantially different. Aikido bujutsu sounds like the name of the dojo, rather than a style. So the videos are unlikely to be related. Why not go watch if it's close enough?

Regards,
Mark

hey mark,
i think you may be right, aikido bujutsu could be the name of the dojo despite the fact they are at the ymca now.
i have been to see them a few times and there techniques look identical to the first video i posted (not sure why the second is there, oops). i'm thinking the style might be just bujutsu or aikibujutsu or some such thing. i was just interested in getting some history but that oddly seems unlikely... thanks for the input.... :)

Timothy WK
07-12-2008, 02:00 PM
"Aikido bujutsu" isn't a recognized branch of aikido, so as was said, it's probably just the dojo's name. Given the description---that it's a "relative" of aikido, rather than aikido itself---it's probably an independent school. So I can't really say anything without more info...

... buuuuut, the combo of "aikido" and "bujutsu" rubs me funny... Maybe I'm just being overly-sensitive, but it's fairly common for illegitimate schools to replace the "-do" ending and/or add some sort of "-jutsu" ending; based on the false understanding that "-jutsu" styles promote "combat effectiveness" and "-do" styles promote "spiritual development" (historically, there's no difference between "-do" and "-jutsu" styles).

And where did you get the description that it's a "relative of traditional aikido"? Is that something the teacher (or another official dojo representative) told you? Again that rubs me funny... See, there's no such thing as "traditional aikido"---the parent of aikido is a style called Daito-ryu. And the origins of Daito-ryu are murky, so at this point, no style can claim to be a "relative" of Daito-ryu. But even if "traditional aikido" just means aikido as taught by the founder, Ueshiba, that's also funny. Being a "relative" of Ueshiba's aikido would seem to imply it's a sibling art, a descendant of Daito-ryu. And the only other known descendant of Daito-ryu is a small style called Yanagi-ryu or Yoshida-ryu (the name was recently updated).

But again, I may just be over-thinking this. I really, honest, can't make any sort of judgement without more info.

eric_lecaptain
07-12-2008, 03:47 PM
relative of aikido is just some term i came up with to ease the process of describing what i see. other than that, i have little or no opinion on what they call it. i was just interested in some history...

ramenboy
07-14-2008, 05:03 PM
yeah it does seem a bit contradictory... 'do' versus 'jutsu'... self improvement versus self preservation...

at any rate, i believe bujutsu refers to warrior arts, and aikido is...what it is... not a warrior art...

haven't seen the videos. dang firewalls :p

eric_lecaptain
07-15-2008, 08:38 PM
finally a good answer.
after seeing more bujutsu videos i agree, "do" simply does not fit...
might be fun, but not in the aikikai sorta way...

Dan Richards
07-18-2008, 01:27 PM
hey maybe this will help with the identification process.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VlPFc5dhOo

In the first part of that video - up to :56 - they're practicing (at least to some degree) Nishio Aikido (which does have a following in Poland.)

ramenboy
07-18-2008, 01:49 PM
did a little search and found this previous thread...

http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1835

still sounds a little dubious...

RE: the youtube posted earlier, so the beginning of the video looks pretty much aikikai, and then what's with the guys in the black gi...

eric_lecaptain
07-18-2008, 04:02 PM
In the first part of that video - up to :56 - they're practicing (at least to some degree) Nishio Aikido (which does have a following in Poland.)
nishio aikido? cant say i have ever came across that term before. do you have any idea where it originated?

John Connolly
07-18-2008, 05:39 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoji_Nishio