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JohnSS
05-10-2008, 02:49 PM
Hi,

I will be starting Aikido classes very soon and I have long hair. It comes down to the middle of my back and would prefer to not cut it. Does anyone else have long hair? What do you do with it when you train. Is just putting it in a pony tail enough? If you have long hair, how do you keep it out of the way during training?

Thanks!

dalen7
05-10-2008, 02:57 PM
A dude in our dojo has long hair - probably shoulder length though.
He puts it in a pony tail - Seagal style. :)

His hair doesnt seem to get in the way...not sure about how it would work for super long hair though...sorry couldnt be of more help.

Peace

dAlen

p.s. - I dont see it being a problem if you have it pulled back in a pony tail though.

brian donohoe
05-10-2008, 03:04 PM
When I had long hair I found a plait best with a pony tail it spreads out a bit when you are on the ground in a pin. People are going to kneel on it and I don't think there is a way out of that unless you get it cut. People kneeling on my hair didn't bother me at the time but now that I have my hair short it's just not an issue.

I hope that helps.

Brian

rob_liberti
05-10-2008, 03:11 PM
One of my students got a neck injury trying to get up after being thrown becuase she did not realize that her nage was stepping on her long hair. All I can say is be careful. -Rob

Kevin Leavitt
05-10-2008, 04:32 PM
my hair never gets in the way...I don't know what you are talking about! :)

Mary Eastland
05-10-2008, 04:41 PM
lol kevin.
When my hair was long I wore one or two braids on the mat. I keep it short now becuase I hate to bother with it.
Mary

crbateman
05-10-2008, 04:56 PM
You will want to look for Lynn Seiser to post here... He'll be along any time now... ;)

Janet Rosen
05-10-2008, 05:36 PM
A braid hanging down is better than loose; a braid coiled up is better.
I got tired of having my hair sat in when getting pinned and keep it short now...

Eric Webber
05-10-2008, 06:07 PM
I have had a number of aiki-colleagues (both male and female) that deal with long hair, best option other than the #1 buzz cut high and tight appears to be a braid looped up and out of the way. Pig tails are an invite for grabbing.

Pauliina Lievonen
05-10-2008, 06:47 PM
My hair has been almost long enough to sit on at times, right now it's down to just below my shoulder blades. I braid it for practice and if it really seems necessary (sometimes for kaitennage) I tuck the braid inside my keikogi. Usually though it's not a problem. It might depend a bit on the style you do I guess, depending on the relative positions of the two people and the direction of the throws. We throw pretty straight down a lot of the time so if tori would step on my hair I'd land on their foot.

kvaak
Pauliina

Mary Turner
05-10-2008, 07:25 PM
Pig tails are an invite for grabbing.

That has been tried once. No repeats. ;)

Mark Uttech
05-10-2008, 07:54 PM
Onegaishimasu. Long hair, like earrings, body piercings, fingernails,wedding rings, all give us something to think about. We have to adjust to our own differences. Some people shave their heads. Some women shave their legs.

In gassho,

Mark

lbb
05-10-2008, 08:38 PM
Onegaishimasu. Long hair, like earrings, body piercings, fingernails,wedding rings, all give us something to think about. We have to adjust to our own differences. Some people shave their heads. Some women shave their legs.


...speaking of non sequiturs...

3shapesaikido
05-11-2008, 01:02 AM
Hello,

My name is AlejAndro. I run a dojo out in Boise Idaho called 3 Shapes Aikido. I have hair down to almost the top of my rump. I have had long hair since I started Aikido.

Overall it is OK to train with long hair. Most of the time I use a hair pin that is low profile and not sharp. This way I can keep my hair up and out of the way. The "top knot" or bun may get in the way a bit with weapons training and some shihonages. However, It is the best option I have found for myself.

I do not braid my hair as I do not have two hands. The hair pin/bun is easiest for me. I have noticed braids to work well also.

I have had the experience of having people step on my hair in kaitenage. And I must say it is hard to roll with nage on my hair. And I did lose a chunk of hair on two occasions. If the person was stepping on more hair I could see where someone could get a neck injury as was posted.

Once Doran Shihan did an iriminage with my ponytail. He said the hair was there as an option. And since I do not have two hands, it seemed the best option at the time.

Overall, you should do fine with long hair. It is just something to be aware and to take into consideration while training. I do not think you should think about cutting it.

Best of luck.

alejandro

Walter Martindale
05-11-2008, 02:12 AM
I had hair that was a little bit long, but it still never reached the shoulders.. Almost, but not quite.
The day before I got it cut to a relatively conventional "short" haircut, the sensei in judo threw me (uchimata or something like that), then stood on my hair, and said "GET UP".
me.. "I can't, you're standing on my hair."
him.. "So? Get up!"
Well, I left some hair behind, but not much, and went to the barber the next day. It was 1972. (has it been THAT long?) He'd spent 5 years in Japan with the "sports cut" crowd, and grew up in Ireland before the 60s...

I've never really understood the allure of having long hair - takes a lot of work to look after it, gets knelt on in Aikido practice, gets used as handles sometimes. OTOH, on some people, long hair is VERY nice...

You do what's right for you. It may take some time to work out what "right" is, though... Patience.
W

SeiserL
05-11-2008, 09:14 AM
You will want to look for Lynn Seiser to post here... He'll be along any time now... ;)
Who, me?

Yep, mid shoulder blades here.

I tend to use two ponytails now. One pulls back the sides to the crown of my head. The other pulls it together at the base of my skull. When my hairs was even longer, I would often add another elastic band further down the back. Works for me, seldom gets in the way.

While people kid about using it as a handle, few actually try.

I also never take off my wedding ring (too proud) or take out my ear ring (too difficult to get back in).

JohnSS
05-11-2008, 10:20 AM
Thank you for all the responses. They are greatly appreciated.

JO
05-11-2008, 12:07 PM
I used to tie my hare in a pony tail (my usual hair style outside the dojo), but found that it regularly got tangled and stepped on (my hair goes to about the middle of my back). I now braid my pony tail before aikido, which does a much better job of keeping it out of the way.

JO
05-11-2008, 12:08 PM
PS - It took my wife a few weeks to teach me to braid my own hair!

jennifer paige smith
05-11-2008, 12:19 PM
I have long hair. And have had for most of my training years. True, you got to be sensitive to not getting up before your partner has lifted their knee( which often has a personal party with hair) . Really, it's just one more opportunity for awareness in the connection you can develop with your partners. If you're up for it.

Braiding is a great way to go.

You will want to look for Lynn Seiser to post here... He'll be along any time now... ;)

funnyguy:)

SeiserL
05-11-2008, 01:30 PM
funnyguy:)
You should see the 2 of us when we get together. :-) LOL

Dieter Haffner
05-11-2008, 05:24 PM
I have been wondering why Outsiders sometimes call us 'aikido hippies'.
This thread just answered my question.

gdandscompserv
05-11-2008, 09:05 PM
Hello,

My name is AlejAndro. I run a dojo out in Boise Idaho called 3 Shapes Aikido. I have hair down to almost the top of my rump. I have had long hair since I started Aikido.
Hello Alejandro. Nice to hear from you.:)
Ricky

KIT
05-11-2008, 09:20 PM
While people kid about using it as a handle, few actually try.


Well, Lynn, clearly you don't get in many fights with the police...:D

Its an old stand by and excellent for head control. It comes in handy in place of a collar for shime-waza, and I've been known to use it against biters as well - threaded through the mouth it can create tremendous leverage on the jaw.

Did a bit for the jujutsu guys I train with on "exigent application of pony tails and mullets" in suspect control.

That being said, be wary of extensions. More than one guy has tried head control using long hair as a handle and ended up with a handful of.... ....of whatever it is they use for hair extensions. ;)

crbateman
05-11-2008, 10:53 PM
You should see the 2 of us when we get together. :-) LOLThe smell of dit da jow and Geritol can get really strong... ;)

jennifer paige smith
05-11-2008, 11:30 PM
That being said, be wary of extensions. More than one guy has tried head control using long hair as a handle and ended up with a handful of.... ....of whatever it is they use for hair extensions. ;)

Well, at least they had some extension somewhere in their aikido.:p

Carl Thompson
05-12-2008, 02:29 AM
I had waist length hair for years and never had any trouble. You get people stepping on it sometimes but it's no big deal. Just keep it tied up/back (I'd avoid braids), stick it inside your dogi for iriminage and you should be fine. As a guy, the main problem I found were other guys who didnít like or were uncomfortable with guys having long hair, but in a good dojo, that shouldn't happen. Plenty of women do aikido with long hair and have no hassle.

Bill Danosky
05-13-2008, 11:37 AM
C'mon! You owe it to yourself to go with the samurai topknot.

And when you're in a face down pin, if you stick your off hand out under your cheek so your palm's between your head and shite's foot it doesn't get stepped on.

Trish Greene
05-13-2008, 01:58 PM
I have long hair, I wore it in pigtails ONCE! One of the guys decided it would be cute to guide me around the mat with them.

Now I wear it in a low ponytail, and double it up. I tried to wear it loose once, but I nearly ripped my own hair out after taking ukemi and catching it in my hand.

My vanity won't let me cut it so I think I will try braiding it and seeing how that works instead!

Carl Thompson
05-13-2008, 06:39 PM
I think I will try braiding it and seeing how that works instead!

The problem with braids (the fine, African style ones I mean) is that you can snag one and the whole thing can come out, leaving you with a big chunk of hair missing. I never saw it happen on the mat, but I knew a girl who got into a catfight outside a nightclub who lost one that way. Iíd recommend tying them together like loose hair if you get them done.

Lauren Walsh
05-13-2008, 10:57 PM
I have long hair that comes at least half way down my back. I once braided my hair for training but I found that the end of the plait (with the lacky) would often whip around and get me in the eye or my partner would get slapped on the face! A high pony tail is far easier for me.

Shonin
05-15-2008, 02:50 PM
Long hair is no problem at all and I wouldn't give it a second thought. I've worn mine long my entire life. Besides, age will cut it for you soon enough, enjoy it now while you have it. Just tie it back so it doesn't get in your eyes.

Chris Lacey
05-18-2008, 10:52 PM
That has been tried once. No repeats. ;)

But there ARE "Do overs"!

hehehe :D