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gdandscompserv
01-04-2008, 06:41 AM
How do you think you would fare? Would your aikido work? Mine? I would probably be tossed around like a rag doll.:eek:
I wish I could find that article I read about the Sumo wrestler that trained with O-sensei. Apparently, he grabbed O-sensei and immediately recognized a master. Can anybody point me to it?

PhilMyKi
01-04-2008, 07:01 AM
GIven my post Christmas belly, forget Aikido I could probably give him a go at Sumo!

batemanb
01-04-2008, 07:56 AM
GIven my post Christmas belly, forget Aikido I could probably give him a go at Sumo!

Having seen that belly last night...........................yep :)

Does that mean that my aikido worked on a sumo wrestler :p

Ron Tisdale
01-04-2008, 08:16 AM
A) Bryan, I don't think we want to know about what bellies you've seen... :D

B) Me against a sumotori...right side ok, left side ok, in the middle...squash like grape! :D :eek:

C) Founder of Aikido (37): Manchukuo and The Noted Sumo Wrestler Tenryu

http://www.aikidojournal.com/article?articleID=350&highlight=sumo

Best,
Ron

brunotex
01-04-2008, 09:00 AM
Tenryu was a notorious rikishi. You can see more on
www.sumofanmag.com/content/Issue_2/Rikishi_of_Old.htm.

This article mentions how Tenryu met O Sensei on page 4.

Ah. Me vs. a professional sumo wrestler???....no chance. Look at Ama, who is a 115 kg sumotori and see how powerful anyone of these guys are....

Jory Boling
01-04-2008, 09:09 AM
i'm a big guy by japanese standards (however, back home, there are PLENTY bigger) but when i've "bumped" into these guys the weekend of a tournament, they are giants. titans. gigantor. gojira.
on tv, there's not much to compare them to. i mean they are facing off against each other, but crowding into starbucks next to one is a different story. i'll pass on the "me vs. sumo" challenge!

PhilMyKi
01-04-2008, 07:42 PM
Having seen that belly last night...........................yep :)

Does that mean that my aikido worked on a sumo wrestler :p

I concur on this fact!:blush:

I have a lot of money riding on the fact i will not only lose it, but bring my six pack (not beer) out to play!!!!:D Fifty one weeks and counting. I will start trimming down on the driving range with DJ in the morning in the hope I can, like him, beat you at golf!!!!!!!!

Roman Kremianski
01-04-2008, 07:51 PM
Can Aikido beat a sumo wrestler?

Well, the 517lb Akebono was defeated by wrist lock at K1 by a guy 347lbs lighter than him...so I would stay positive.

Ron Tisdale
01-04-2008, 07:55 PM
Good point Roman!

B,
R

Kevin Leavitt
01-04-2008, 10:07 PM
Yea, but that was grappling, not aikido as we all know aikido is not done on the ground on your back and there were not mulitple opponents involved.

justin
01-05-2008, 03:12 AM
Is it me of do these questions seem to get increasingly bizarre (no offence to the poster of course) I know we should train for every eventuality but how many professional sumo wrestlers are going to try and attack me on the street, I have never seen one in real life let alone offended one enough for him to try and sit on me.

Jory Boling
01-05-2008, 04:40 AM
how about me, a sumo wrestler, a bjjer, and Rocky vs. you?

Peter Goldsbury
01-05-2008, 05:28 AM
Is it me of do these questions seem to get increasingly bizarre (no offence to the poster of course) I know we should train for every eventuality but how many professional sumo wrestlers are going to try and attack me on the street, I have never seen one in real life let alone offended one enough for him to try and sit on me.

Hello,

Well, this is an international forum and some of us live in Japan and occasionally meet and talk to sumo wrestlers. So, if we are talking about random attacks in the street, I suppose that over here we should be prepared for every eventuality.

Having seen Konishiki in action (weight at the time: 295 kilograms, I believe), I have often wondered how he would fare against someone like the present Doshu or his father, and this is relevant to the other question posed by the original poster: Morihei Ueshiba and Tenryu. I once met Tenryu, at an Aikikai Hombu party way back in the 1980s. He was in his 70s then, but from his build it was obvious that he had been a sumo wrestler.

Actually, Konishiki was almost always beaten by one of the lightest wrestlers, whose name escapes me. This man was an earlier version of Ama. He was also regularly beaten by the yokozuna Chiyonofuji, who visited the Aikikai Hombu Dojo from time to time for training tips: to do with concentrating, focusing and projecting kokyu and/or internal power.

Best wishes,

Dieter Haffner
01-05-2008, 05:58 AM
I always carry a bowl of rice with me, just for this specific situation.
It should buy me enough time to get away.

justin
01-05-2008, 06:46 AM
[QUOTE=Peter A Goldsbury;196815]Hello,

Well, this is an international forum and some of us live in Japan and occasionally meet and talk to sumo wrestlers. So, if we are talking about random attacks in the street, I suppose that over here we should be prepared for every eventuality.

point taken i guess some threads are more relevent to some than others.

brunotex
01-05-2008, 07:50 AM
Hello,

W He was also regularly beaten by the yokozuna Chiyonofuji, who visited the Aikikai Hombu Dojo from time to time for training tips: to do with concentrating, focusing and projecting kokyu and/or internal power.

Best wishes,

Mr. Goldsbury,

Chiyonofuji is known as one of the bests sumotoris ever.
I think is very important for us to know that such a powerful wrestler visited an Aikido Dojo fot tips. Do you know if he visited a specific shihan?? If you have more details on this subject it would be great...

Thank you!

Josh Reyer
01-05-2008, 08:17 AM
Hello,
Actually, Konishiki was almost always beaten by one of the lightest wrestlers, whose name escapes me.

Mainoumi Shuhei.

Not to turn this into another internal arts thread, but the essential philosophy of sumo is "When pulled, push. When pushed, push." To this end, the professional wrestlers train their bodies to generate tremendous power, and it's not all raw physical strength (or shouldn't be, at any rate).

This match (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPrNpwMZQnI) always reminds me of Tohei's ki trick of not being lifted. Wajima and Takanohana have strong grips on each other's belt, which would make a normal person very easy to lift, and yet even with the mutual powerful heaves from the belt, both wrestlers remain rooted to the ground.

Chris Li
01-05-2008, 09:32 AM
Actually, Konishiki was almost always beaten by one of the lightest wrestlers, whose name escapes me. This man was an earlier version of Ama. He was also regularly beaten by the yokozuna Chiyonofuji, who visited the Aikikai Hombu Dojo from time to time for training tips: to do with concentrating, focusing and projecting kokyu and/or internal power.

Best wishes,

Mainoumi, as somebody mentioned, who was an excellent technician. Of course, he never won enough to get up to Konishiki's rank - not enough weight. Here's an interesting clip of Konishiki defeating Chiyonofuji rather easily:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky54AVtT7UQ

I saw Chiyonofuji in an interview in which he was very complimentary about Konishiki. Konishiki blasted through a lot of sumo records on the way to Ozeki, the lighter wrestlers only started defeating him after his knees went and he couldn't get off the mark quickly enough. Of course, a large part of the reason why his strategy was successful was because it fit the restrictions of a sumo tournament.

As to getting attacked by sumo wrestlers - not so farfetched in Tokyo. They're mostly young guys, and you can often run into them drinking (heavily) in Roppongi.

Best,

Chris

Saji Jamakin
01-05-2008, 11:08 AM
I guess the question is how would you fare against someone 100 - 200lbs heavier than you.
That's a hard question to answer.
However, I do believe we should train with ukes of different sizes and weight to refine our techniques.

At least it would give you some experience just in case...

gregg block
01-05-2008, 11:57 AM
Depends. When I faced him what would he be wearing? If he were wearing street clothes I would give him a wedgee! At his size by the time he dug it out I would have destroyed him

gdandscompserv
01-05-2008, 12:00 PM
Thanks for the links Ron and Bruno. :D

brunotex
01-05-2008, 01:03 PM
Thanks for the links Ron and Bruno. :D

You´re welcome...:cool:

I am really interested on Sumo. I think anyone has a lot to lean watching these guys wrestling.
That bout between Wajima and Takanohana I is amazing (thanks for the link, Joshua). I wish I could do that...

Chris Li
01-05-2008, 01:58 PM
I guess the question is how would you fare against someone 100 - 200lbs heavier than you.
That's a hard question to answer.

Not really, happens to me all the time.

FWIW, Tenryu and Gozo Shioda were training buddies before the war.

Best,

Chris

batemanb
01-06-2008, 02:37 AM
.........I will start trimming down on the driving range with DJ in the morning in the hope I can, like him, beat you at golf!!!!!!!!

Better get practicing then, ask him how he got on the second time ;)

Kent Enfield
01-06-2008, 06:55 AM
As to getting attacked by sumo wrestlers - not so farfetched in Tokyo.It wouldn't be far fetched up here in Tohoku either. While we don't have any professionals out in the countryside, lots of guys have done in school, from elementary through high school. It's probably more than one out of 20 in my town.

Having screwed around with some of the members of the club at my junior high and having watched practice, they without a doubt
1) are incredibly strong,
2) are amazing agile,
3) are nigh impervious to pain,
and
4) have an outstanding sense of balance and kuzushi.
And these are just the 12- to 15-year-olds.

BilltheDestroyer
01-06-2008, 08:19 AM
I always carry a bowl of rice with me, just for this specific situation.
It should buy me enough time to get away.

Yes, I would say that my Aikido would succeed against one of these Sumotori. Then again, my Aikido involved biting the Achilles tendon, and does not necessarily exclude shooting someone from a very far away place. But I would do it with love in my heart… yes…

charyuop
01-06-2008, 12:36 PM
Vs a sumo wrestler? Well, my Aikido tells me that I might be able to outrun him :)

As per sizes, I was born and raised in Italy and now I live in the USA...trust me, here it is pretty hard to find someone who is smaller than me. So I guess if something has to happen in the streets (but it won't coz I will avoid it hee hee), chances are 99% I will face someone bigger than me.

Rupert Atkinson
01-06-2008, 12:59 PM
First, when I watch Sumo, I see a fair bit of Aikido in there already.

Second, when I first went to Japan on a university exchange, a Sumo bout was aranged for three of us who were interested - on one of our many visits etc. We had to wear Mawashi - the whole deal. We all lost, repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly, of course. We only went against junior wrestlers but they were more than a match for us/me - no comparison, they were in their element and I was out of mine, even with over ten years of Aikido, Judo, and Jujutsu behind me. Glad I did it though.

DonMagee
01-06-2008, 07:37 PM
There is always the Keith Hackney approach.

antonis paps
01-21-2008, 03:41 AM
ha ha...wouldn't stand a chance..
i would run 'till he got exhausted
:)

CitoMaramba
01-21-2008, 05:49 AM
There is always the Keith Hackney approach.

Yeah I remember that bout.. UFC 3, wasn't it?
Hackney won by TKO against the 600+ pound Yarborough (amateur sumo champion), but broke his hand and was unable to continue in the tournament.

Beard of Chuck Norris
01-22-2008, 06:01 AM
Cito, and everyone. Here is the fight:
Hackney Vs Yarborough (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jnXDPnlvVo)

Most unimpressive, but you'll not find me in the octagon any time soon!

interesting that the big dude does both sumoo and judoo according to the commentator. :D

philippe willaume
01-22-2008, 06:07 AM
In professional sumotori, there is professional as in someone whose job it is to do just that.
So like any professional type of fighter, they would be very hard to beat consistently.

Of course, there is always the option of a medieval knight fair fight.
(ie turn up unexpected with more people, better weaponry and better armour)

crbateman
01-22-2008, 08:21 AM
We only went against junior wrestlers but they were more than a match for us/me - no comparison, they were in their element and I was out of mine, even with over ten years of Aikido, Judo, and Jujutsu behind me.Taking you out of your element, and making you realize that you were, was in itself a very aiki strategy.

jennifer paige smith
01-22-2008, 10:48 AM
Has anyone trained with this guy?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZrS5VOsc50&feature=related
I hear he's all the rage. and that it is actually his insight from training that sets him apart and not just his waza..... you decide.

jennifer paige smith
01-31-2008, 02:58 PM
Oh Gosh. I was just foolin around...didn't mean to stop the show.
Hardy har-har....
thanks

Don_Modesto
01-31-2008, 03:31 PM
I'm kinda surprised no one mentioned how badly Futahaguro and Akebono did in MMA. The former lasted what--15 seconds?

CitoMaramba
01-31-2008, 07:04 PM
Akebono vs. Royce Gracie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0_svVIDORQ