Does anyone know the name of this?

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[trailbuster530]

I learned a new technique last night at my dojo and can't remember the name. I am at my desk at work trying to write notes down and my co-workers are probably looking at me a little strange as I am trying to kinda go thru the motions while sitting.

I might have a something in the technique mixed up as I am not on a mat trying to perform it but here it goes.

Standing in hammi with both you and the uke having your right foot forward.

Uke is doing a Shomenuchi with his right hand.

You block with your right hand creating an X with the uke's arm.
(Your palm is facing towards Uke).

As you block with your right hand you move your left hand up inside to create a V under Uke's arm (both palms towards uke).

As you do this you take a step forward with your rear leg (left) at the same time you push uke's arm away with left arm. The step goes to the outside of uke (your left).

At this point you are moving your right arm across uke's neck. If uke does not fall at this point you take a step with your right foot and pretty much walking thru him.

This sends him into a back fall.

If you can't understand what I am trying to explain that is ok as I have class tomorrow and will ask my Sensei when I get in. I just wanted to add the name to my notes before I forgot about it.

Thanks all.

[Michael Varin]

Erik,

It sounds like shomen uchi irimi nage to me. Did you push uke's arm to your right (acoss his body)? Did you take your left hand to the back of uke's collar or his lower back?

The V under uke's arm is a little confusing. This is how I might describe katate dori irimi nage, but then the right and left side would be reversed.

Did you push uke's arm to your left (away from his body)? In that case, possibly tenchi nage.

[trailbuster530]

you might be right in that I have everything reversed.

The arm that was blocked ends up out to uke's side almost horizontal with the ground.

In the ending phase it looks like you have uke's arm out horizontal with your other arm across their neck.

You are then walking them back with your body between their out stretched wrist and their arm pit.

Again I will have to go home and run this thru with either my wife or kids to figure out if I am reversed but you might be absolutly right. I was trying to visualize it and I got confused as to left vs right even when trying to write it all down.

Thanks for your response. Working thru this stuff is confusing but well worth the effort as I want to think it thru and practice when ever possible. Even if it means no uke and just going thru the motions and visualizing it in my head.

[Michael Varin]

Erik,

I don't think my edit got through in time. But from what you just said, you guys were probably working on tenchi nage, which is very similar in principle to irimi nage.

[trailbuster530]

Thanks!

It's hard trying to remember the different names as they are all blending together at this point. I know with time I will start to understand the naming a little and understand the meaning behind the words.

Thanks again for your time answering my question.

[Michael Varin]

No problem, but remember that different school and styles frequently have different nomenclature, althougth you will see essentially the same techniques.

Visualizing the technique is good practice; I still do it. Also, acting out both sides of a technique (uke/nage) by yourself is a great way to supplement what you learn in class, and increase your body awareness. To mix it up a little, do this same practice in front of a full length mirror, or in total darkness.

[Paul Milburn]

This could possibly be tenchi nage or irimi nage (direct variant). The cross arm block for direct variant entries is a favourite in the Tomiki style.

[aikidoc]

Parts of it sound like ikkyo if you are cutting them over and walking them down.. Tenchinage is generally off a two hand grap.

[Chris Farnham]

When you say "At this point you are moving your right arm across uke's neck" , is it a cutting motion, or is your arm draped around uke's neck in irimi nage fashion. The opening that you describe sounds a lot like a technique that we do at my dojo where you cut uke down with a tegatana. If you search for "Wake Up " and "Chiba Sensei" on Youtube you will see what I am referring to. I noticed on your dojo's website that one of your Instructors comes from a Saito Sensei lineage. I have read interviews where Chiba Sensei talks about how much he respected Saito sensei, and how he used to love training at Iwama when he was an Uchi Deshi at Hombu, so there could be a technical connection there.

[jimscape]

Erik, I'm a beginner and have had success using a program called Aikido 3D which has great renderings of the kyu level techniques at different angles.

It's a great tool for learning the names and the basic stances. Of course it's no substitute for training but just something to compliment it. It takes quite awhile to learn the names and positions etc etc.

The kind folks at 18st Dojo in NYC ( USAF) have made this program and although I train at a different dojo and have different kyu tests, find this a great help.

aikido3d.com should get you a download or you can order the CD ROM

[Mark Uttech]

Onegaishimasu. I second the motion about aikido3d.com You get a lot of bang for your buck.

In gassho

Mark

[edshockley]

I am in no way discouraging the purchase of 3-D AIKIDO or BETWEEN HEAVEN AND EARTH. Waite Shihan is brilliant and extremely clear in his classes and videos and ditto for Sugano Shihan . That said, the world has changed, and it is possible, once you know the name of a technique, to find dozens of video examples on and similar sites as well.