PDA

View Full Version : combat umbrella


Please visit our sponsor:
 

AikiWeb Sponsored Links - Place your Aikido link here for only $10!


Bronson
07-24-2007, 12:50 PM
A real, modern-day carry weapon (http://13gb.com/videos/2950/) :D

Bronson

klimber
07-24-2007, 03:15 PM
haha...so who's gonna make the first umbrella kata ?? :D

Chris Li
07-24-2007, 05:40 PM
haha...so who's gonna make the first umbrella kata ?? :D

Umbrella techniques are not uncommon in Japanese arts - even Daito-ryu has a few.

Best,

Chris

raul rodrigo
07-24-2007, 08:03 PM
Shiro Omiya's book The hidden roots of aikido has an umbrella waza--what to do if someone tries to take away your umbrella.

R

Chris Li
07-24-2007, 08:08 PM
Shiro Omiya's book The hidden roots of aikido has an umbrella waza--what to do if someone tries to take away your umbrella.

R

I'm not sure how much stock I'd put in Omiya...

Best,

Chris

raul rodrigo
07-24-2007, 08:52 PM
Same here, Chris. I just thought I'd mention it as an example of what you were talking about.

best,

R

Al Gutierrez
07-24-2007, 11:37 PM
Here's just one example from Daito-ryu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvPEU9mAX5Y

I'd call it self-defense with an umbrella rather than "combat".

A.G.

CitoMaramba
07-24-2007, 11:51 PM
I believe that the umbrella techniques that Mas Oyama included in some of his books (eg. Vital Karate) came from his training under Kotaro Yoshida, and were purportedly from Daito-Ryu. The versions of Nikkajo and Sankajo shown in the books were probably also derived from his training with Yoshida.

Al Gutierrez
07-25-2007, 01:08 AM
Yeah I'd agree with that. I've seen the "self defense" techniques from Kyokushinkai and they include variations of many Daito-ryu Jujutsu techniques. IOW they're joint locking techniques, kind of like Aikido techniques but they totally lack the precise sophistication of Daito Ryu or Yanagi Ryu.

I also heard that a senior Kyokushinkai instructor also trained in the Roppokai with Okamoto sensei.

A.G.

dps
07-25-2007, 12:49 PM
A real, modern-day carry weapon (http://13gb.com/videos/2950/) :D

Bronson

But, will it keep you dry in the rain?
What is the point of having a weapon that looks like an umbrella if is does not function like an umbrella also?
David

CitoMaramba
07-25-2007, 01:10 PM
at the end of the video he opens the umbrella.. it's not one of those self opening ones though..

dps
07-25-2007, 03:28 PM
at the end of the video he opens the umbrella.. it's not one of those self opening ones though..

But it wasn't raining.

David

CitoMaramba
07-25-2007, 04:13 PM
But it wasn't raining.

David

Perhaps they should have thrown a bucket of water on him to prove that it was waterproof.. :cool:

dps
07-26-2007, 12:00 AM
Perhaps they should have thrown a bucket of water on him to prove that it was waterproof.. :cool:

Yes.:)

David

jennifer paige smith
07-26-2007, 08:50 AM
Yes.:)

David

I can think of a couple of posters who I'd like to check for 'weatherproofing'.:)

-present company excluded.;)

gregg block
08-01-2007, 03:46 PM
Are there different techniques for those little "tote's" umbrellas or perhaps the kind you find in mixed drinks? Are these techniques effective on sunny days? Get Real!

CitoMaramba
08-01-2007, 03:56 PM
You can order the umbrella in the video here (http://www.real-self-defense.com/umbrella1.html). It's bloody expensive!

Erick Mead
08-02-2007, 04:05 PM
Here's just one example from Daito-ryu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvPEU9mAX5Y

I'd call it self-defense with an umbrella rather than "combat".

A.G.I dunno. Pranin documented in an interview with Ikkusai Iwata that Takeda would demonstrate its use against a sword (kasatori) in Ueshiba Juku in Mejiro in the 30's:

http://www.aikidojournal.com/article?articleID=406

The original video seems actually more like walking stick techniques in savate, which given the source, makes some sense.

There was this for straight handled umbrellas : http://www.real-self-defense.com/videos/umbrella_demo_straight.wmv

aikidoc
08-02-2007, 05:43 PM
The systema guys use it to beat the crap out of the attacker in the improvised weapons tape. He even sticks one of the tines up the guys nose-ouch.

Al Gutierrez
08-05-2007, 12:28 AM
I can think of a couple of posters who I'd like to check for 'weatherproofing'.:)

You mean "give a shellacking to"? :D

The last vid looks like hapkido cane techniques to me.

I dunno. Pranin documented in an interview with Ikkusai Iwata that Takeda would demonstrate its use against a sword (kasatori) in Ueshiba Juku in Mejiro in the 30's:

http://www.aikidojournal.com/article?articleID=406

It still seems like self defense to me, who ever heard of anyone marching into combat with an umbrella? Anyway, Daito Ryu has a lot of nice umbrella techniques, I've seen a few besides the ones on YouTube, some are like the usual hanbo jutsu, while others are more like aikijujutsu while holding or carrying an umbrella.

IIRC Sokaku Takeda also carried a hidden sword in his favorite walking cane.

A.G.

Erick Mead
08-05-2007, 12:43 PM
It still seems like self defense to me, who ever heard of anyone marching into combat with an umbrella? Apparently, the Brits have:
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/WORLD/meast/03/25/sprj.irq.war.main/vert.umbrella.ap.jpg

CitoMaramba
08-05-2007, 02:49 PM
In the battle for the Arnhem bridge in World War II, Major Allison Digby Tatham-Warter of the 2nd Battalion, British 1st Airborne Division, led his men in a bayonet charge
carrying a pistol in one hand, madly swinging his umbrella about his head with the other

His reason for carrying the umbrella was:
because he could never remember the password, and it would be quite obvious to anyone that the bloody fool carrying the umbrella could only be an Englishman.

He did also use the umbrella combatively during the Arnhem battle:
On another occasion he used the rolled up umbrella to in-effect disable a German armoured car, simply by thrusting it through an observation slit in the vehicle and incapacitating the driver.

In the hands of a trained warrior, anything becomes a weapon.. even against guns and tanks.

Biography of Major Tatham-Warter (http://www.pegasusarchive.org/arnhem/tatham_warter.htm)