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dalen7
07-10-2007, 03:12 PM
Yes, I know, some of you who have read my threads are probably throwing your hands up in the air and thinking Im helpless.
(after reading my efforts in learning Aikido in a language unknown to me and my language unknown to them)

But, at the same time I figured that it might be easier with the second art - Im looking at Thai Boxing. It seems straight forward, I used to box...i watched them...and you hit and kick the bag. Cant be to much to it except getting in shape and supplementing Aikido with a hard style.

At the same time there is Wing Chun...but in some ways it seems like a similar concept as Aikido...use leverage or the persons weight against them.

We also have shoto(something) karate (wasnt really what Im looking for after watching it.

I like the whole jeet kun do concept of having a grappling, kicking, boxing, etc. mix.

Now we dont have B.J.J. so aikido will have to suffice for grappling (or poking an biting) ;)

Anyone have a feel for the mix of Thai boxing (or one of the others I listed?) I saw the one thread of the guy taking karate...seems at the beginning some of the arts can make it harder to learn aikido if they are not different enough.

Peace

Dalen

DonMagee
07-10-2007, 03:15 PM
I train in bjj, judo, aikido, and Muay thai. I would personally suggest judo or bjj, but you said bjj was not an option. If you can find judo, I think you will find it adds a new dimension to your aikido. However, if you want striking, you simply can't go wrong with Thai. Its to the point, a sweet science of 8 limbs. I've trained with a lot of strikers from a lot of systems, and I really think MT is the most effective system I've seen. Its easy to learn, easy to apply, very effective, and can go as deep and advanced as you want to go. Plus it has a lot of hard contact sparing.

dalen7
07-10-2007, 03:20 PM
I train in bjj, judo, aikido, and Muay thai. I would personally suggest judo or bjj, but you said bjj was not an option.
I've trained with a lot of strikers from a lot of systems, and I really think MT is the most effective system I've seen. Its easy to learn, easy to apply, very effective, and can go as deep and advanced as you want to go. Plus it has a lot of hard contact sparing.

Totally cool - I think I might just do that.
Just got to go and buy the gloves and shorts now. (is there a certain weight/size requirement/limitiation for gloves in MT?)

oh, there is no judo here - ironically. They seem to have everything else which was surprising.

Peace

DonMagee
07-10-2007, 03:30 PM
Ask your coach about what gear to by. He probably can get a cheaper deal then you. Plus some schools vary from 12-16 ounce gloves. Sometimes size is a consideration (bigger guys use bigger gloves). But your coach will know what you will need to work out with him.

dalen7
07-10-2007, 03:33 PM
Ask your coach about what gear to by. He probably can get a cheaper deal then you. Plus some schools vary from 12-16 ounce gloves. Sometimes size is a consideration (bigger guys use bigger gloves). But your coach will know what you will need to work out with him.

Cool - thanks...

Peace

Dalen

Roman Kremianski
07-10-2007, 10:37 PM
Give it a shot Dalen, MT is a lot of fun!

Dewey
07-10-2007, 10:48 PM
Personally, I'd take a "sampler" of each style available to you...spend a month or so with each one. You should know within a month of active study (i.e. 3x/week) if you like it and/or if it's for you.

I have done the same thing with Kajukenbo and Shotokan Karate (i.e. the "Shoto-something" you mentioned). Shotokan is for me...I like the hard lunge puches and hammer-fist strikes as well as the blocking techniques, but maybe isn't someone else's cup of tea.

Experiment. Do what works for you.

dalen7
07-11-2007, 02:58 AM
Personally, I'd take a "sampler" of each style available to you...spend a month or so with each one. You should know within a month of active study (i.e. 3x/week) if you like it and/or if it's for you.

I have done the same thing with Kajukenbo and Shotokan Karate (i.e. the "Shoto-something" you mentioned). Shotokan is for me...I like the hard lunge puches and hammer-fist strikes as well as the blocking techniques, but maybe isn't someone else's cup of tea.

Experiment. Do what works for you.

your right...I actually have the opportunity for a free month at wing-chun (this is hard decision as its no the modern wing-chun that Sifu francis Fong taught in Atlanta...and he was 'bad to the bone'/extremely good)

As for Shotokan - truth is I have never seen karate in action...where I grew up it was always taekwandoe - (spelling), I watched 2 lessons of Shotokan and the one lesson seemed that they spent 30 minutes doing aerobics, running, pushups etc. Yet the other class did only karate...(suppose they strike a balance somewhere in between.)

Funny thing is the guy that teaches the shotokan is like 5-7 dan ( i remember he had a ton of stripes...and he is tough looking as can be...his son also high up in shotokan is the one who teaches MT boxing...I sensed in his MT demo that he was mixing more than MT in his style...unless MT includes flipping around backwards and kicking.) None-the-less the father and son team were pretty good.

It just appeared on surface that shotokan was a sport that did not involve the full contact/strength right away like with MT.
One of the Orange belts came up to MT to play around and the MT guy looked like he was getting the best of him.

I suppose out of the 2 MT would less likely conflict with Aikido as far as a beginner staying clear and not mixing up technique...but that is not based on experience and just what Im picking up here and observation. (The best to you, by the way in your combining shotokan and aikido...point actually does boil down to what you totally are into, and it sounds like you found the 2 sports for you...which is cool)

Peace

Dalen,.

Christopher Gee
07-11-2007, 03:47 AM
Aikido is and will always be a mungral art. Keep true to the prinicples that you feel are important in your training and you will get what you want.

Aikido cannot be limited, those people that say 'thats it, this is my corner, its my way or the high way...' ask them to read about all the greats that have been remember over the decades and centuries and not one is a 'pureist'.

There is no spoon.

salim
07-11-2007, 07:30 AM
It's great to see so many open minded Aikidoist. I think the new generation of Aikidoist have finally realized the importance of exploring other forms of martial arts. Simply great to read this thread.

SeiserL
07-11-2007, 04:19 PM
Loved MT. Loved WC.
Love Aiki.
Go for it.

dalen7
07-12-2007, 02:52 AM
Loved MT. Loved WC.
Love Aiki.
Go for it.

cool so you did WC also?
Was it modern WC or the traditional?

Only reason I ask is I saw in Atlanta modern WC with Sifu Francis Fong (totally cool) - but here in Karcag, its not only traditional but its a branch through a guy who claims to have a better technique than the others...or rather had private lessons with yip man (forgot the history) in which the correct way was taught. (sounds like ego talk to me...but anyway) William Cheungs style is whats taught here.

The only issue I had is that there arent any real instructor levels teaching (bigger city for an actual instructor). The zeal of the one guy is pretty good though, but the other ended up having me do boxing in my 1st trial - literally pulled me aside and had me box with the other dude while he was wearing the practice pads.

Anyway...

DonMagee
07-12-2007, 06:35 AM
That is one of the biggest problems I see with WC, too many instructors arguing they have the real WC and everyone else sucks.

SeiserL
07-12-2007, 07:45 AM
cool so you did WC also?
Was it modern WC or the traditional?
FWIW, it was pretty traditional. From Yip to Bruce. From Bruce to Ted Lucaylucay, my FMA/JKD instructor 20 years ago. The influence still shows in my Aiki, especially when there is a sharp pointy thing involved.

jennifer paige smith
07-14-2007, 05:29 PM
for the best mixing style may I suggest a hamilton beach?