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Aran Bright
02-20-2007, 05:34 AM
????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq0BGVw6O8E&mode=related&search=

:confused:

Beard of Chuck Norris
02-20-2007, 06:21 AM
Oh dear.

He pulls off a sonic boom or a hadoken in this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxQ-e0GStpg&mode=related&search=

jo

aikidoc
02-20-2007, 10:01 AM
The last guy who thought he could do all that stuff with his ki got his ass kicked by a jiu jitsu or MMA guy in a challenge. He tried to stop the guy with guy and got bloodied up instead.

I love the wearing the rank belt outside the hakama.

Edward
02-20-2007, 10:17 AM
If his Ki was that strong why doesn't he move the objects instead of people. Objects must be easier to move, they are smaller, lighter, and do not resist.

aikidoc
02-20-2007, 10:30 AM
If his Ki was that strong why doesn't he move the objects instead of people. Objects must be easier to move, they are smaller, lighter, and do not resist.

Exactly, the guy should be able to toss the sword toward him and it should go flying off. sacre bleu.

Suru
02-20-2007, 10:39 AM
The ukes remind me of storm troopers...Hitler's and other Emperors'.

Drew

mriehle
02-20-2007, 11:03 AM
Sure he's for real.

Not so much what he's doing though. That's not for real. I don't think.

Mashu
02-20-2007, 11:32 AM
????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq0BGVw6O8E&mode=related&search=

:confused:

Give the sword to me. :)

dps
02-20-2007, 03:59 PM
The ukes are doing Acadaemy Award winning acting. His acting is not so good.

David

Mike Hamer
02-20-2007, 09:21 PM
I really do believe that things like this are a type of hypnotism. Basically what I'm saying is that if you think it's going to work on you, that may very well be true. The power of suggestion is a very powerful thing indeed.

Suru
02-20-2007, 09:35 PM
I really do believe that things like this are a type of hypnotism. Basically what I'm saying is that if you think it's going to work on you, that may very well be true. The power of suggestion is a very powerful thing indeed.

Brainwashing others is the ultimate form of power-tripping, evil, abuse, and hatred. Benevolent, temporary, hypnotism can be beneficial. The real question here is, is this guy benevolent? It's hard to tell from two brief, silent video clips, but Drew's got a bad first impression. Really bad.

Drew

Suru
02-20-2007, 09:46 PM
I never did Iaido or Kenjutsu, but I do believe the right hand, not the left, is supposed to be near the tsuba. Maybe it's different in South America, much like the toilets flush clockwise.

Drew

Rupert Atkinson
02-20-2007, 10:16 PM
Why is it even being discussed?

But then, this is the kind of thing that really turns people off about Aikido. It is important to debunk it. The biggest sucker is always the uke. I have been 'around' such a demo and when it was tried on me by the 'teacher' - IT-DID-NOT-WORK. But, when I tried it on others, like his uke, it worked (not as whacky a technique as the one shown above though) because as I said, the uke is just determined to throw himself. Well, at best he has hypnotised himself to let it work, at worst, he is a voluntary sucker. 99% of us will not get conned - it just takes that 1% produce the farce. If you think you can do it, try it on me.

grondahl
02-21-2007, 01:47 AM
Why should it turn people off about aikido, that fellow is teaching something that he calls wabujutsu.

grondahl
02-21-2007, 01:49 AM
I love the wearing the rank belt outside the hakama.

That is actually not that uncommon. Some offshots of Hakko Ryu and atleast one branch of legitimate Hontai Yoshin Ryu wears it the same way.

Edward
02-21-2007, 02:48 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WHdhfbmLUT8

Here is some more orthodox stuff from the same French "Shihan".

It seems he's an ex-Judoka who studied several styles of Jujutsu, but not Aikido.

statisticool
02-21-2007, 04:48 AM
If his Ki was that strong why doesn't he move the objects instead of people. Objects must be easier to move, they are smaller, lighter, and do not resist.

I don't believe in these skills for a second, but most people who do, only believe their skills can work against living things.

I'd suggest they try on animals, or people who do not know they are being acted upon, as a more strict test to prevent acting/hypnotism/playing along, etc.

stelios
02-21-2007, 06:10 AM
Completely agree with Justin. Will not work on me or you. As Aikido will not work with us as nage and someone (non-aikidoka) we do not know as uke.

grondahl
02-21-2007, 07:34 AM
As Aikido will not work with us as nage and someone (non-aikidoka) we do not know as uke.

You might want to change that to " As my aikido will not work with me as nage and someone (non-aikido) I do not know as uke"

mriehle
02-21-2007, 10:51 AM
It seems he's an ex-Judoka who studied several styles of Jujutsu, but not Aikido.

Well, he doesn't appear to have studied them very well.

It's pretty rare for me to see someone and be able to say instantly that what he's doing is *really* bad technique.

Even now, I refuse to actually say it.

Guilty Spark
02-21-2007, 12:59 PM
I believe it O_o

Hadoken!

deepsoup
02-21-2007, 04:08 PM
I really do believe that things like this are a type of hypnotism.

Funny you should say that. Here's a clip of a 'no touch' punch being performed for a TV show - but the guy performing it has no martial arts training whatsoever and freely admits (after the event) that he's a complete fraud. He's a (very impressive) stage hypnotist and magician, and his uke definitely seems to buy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQdJf-rTVFo
(you could skip to 1:30, there's a bit of a preamble)

stelios
02-22-2007, 04:00 AM
Will have to disagree with you Peter. What I mean is that if you had to face up with some guy on the street, surely enough you would not expect him to walk almost a full circle around you if you employed irimi nage, would you? You cannot do Aikido with someone non-aikidoka. Aikido (Harmony) can only be practised between aikidokas, that is why (always from my point of view) it appears so fluid and harmonious in the dojo. One must be making some mistake if he believes that in a real life threatening situation down that dark alley you can expect your uke to behave as your fellow uke in the dojo. Just a thought...

grondahl
02-22-2007, 04:30 AM
Stelios, I think that the main difference in our perspectives is that you define doing aikido as doing extremly long kihon waza "by the book" and I define it as using the principles and body reflexes (and techniques if possible) learned in the regular practice (kihon, henka, oyo etc) in the dojo.

And btw, we donīt lead uke around in almost a full circle in iriminage. But we do train many very direct irimi-techniques (sokumen iriminage etc...).

stelios
02-22-2007, 11:52 PM
By the book? Not at all.
I believe aikido needs at least two (or even one) who know aikido. Yes, you can use the learned techniques on the street very efficiently against the brutal force of almost anybody but do not tell me thet you will expect your street uke to employ ukemi or similar body movements when fending off your defence or counter attack.
Anyway, it is always nice to see other approaches to the same matter. Thanks for your opinion mate.

Mike Galante
02-24-2007, 08:58 PM
Who's the more foolish...the fool or the fool who follows him?
Obi-Wan Kenobi

Lorien Lowe
02-24-2007, 09:37 PM
My screen is showing the nage's belt as <i>pink.</i> Is anyone else seeing that?

Angela Morton
02-25-2007, 08:43 AM
By the book? Not at all.
I believe aikido needs at least two (or even one) who know aikido. Yes, you can use the learned techniques on the street very efficiently against the brutal force of almost anybody but do not tell me thet you will expect your street uke to employ ukemi or similar body movements when fending off your defence or counter attack.
Anyway, it is always nice to see other approaches to the same matter. Thanks for your opinion mate.

Doesn't matter if an in the street opponent can perform ukemi or not, that isn't the point. I'd like to eventually have the skill to know i can throw someone if attack. Whether they roll or fall flat on their face doesn't matter, i would just want them out of my way so i can get out of theirs. Just because the thug in the roll of uke is poor at unkemi, doesn't mean that what you're doing is not aikido. The point is you should flow around your uke, eve if the uke does not flow.

The techniques are there to teach principles, which then can be used in techniques of your own creation to fit your need. That is still aikido. I can not do aikido, i'm a 5th kyu, i can follow some basic techniques, but not until i can flow and adapt what i am doing so it is the principles and not the techniques i am using shall i really be doing aikido, not with any sort of effectiveness or understanding.

If you couldn't do aikido without a fellow aikidoka then there is no point in it's existence as it wouldn't serve it's perpose. Warriors are not going to act as uke in the sense of a friendly dojo situation, but the techniques and principles where used against them in the past. Aikido is still a martial art, not a dance. if you know and understand it will work. I'm just not at that level yet.

What you do is aikido, whrether what your partner does is aikido or not. The philosophys of aikido can be used in various aspects of life, or so many people say, but not every aspect of life is a fight, so noy everything you face will be an aikidoka. Aikido is more than two people on a mat grabbing and throwing each other into rolls and break falls.

stelios
02-25-2007, 11:42 PM
Agree, BUT Aikido (at least as O Sensei wanted it to be) means that no matter how brutal an attack you have to able to defend without doing any harm to your uke. And I believe that, yes, you should care if he lands flat on his face because that will mean that your aikido does not work! Otherwise there is no difference from the next martial art. What do you think?

grondahl
02-26-2007, 12:46 AM
Agree, BUT Aikido (at least as O Sensei wanted it to be) means that no matter how brutal an attack you have to able to defend without doing any harm to your uke. And I believe that, yes, you should care if he lands flat on his face because that will mean that your aikido does not work! Otherwise there is no difference from the next martial art. What do you think?

I think there is a very big difference between "causing minimal harm to an attacker" and "doing any harm".

Amir Krause
02-26-2007, 12:54 AM
Actually, this guy is so gifted he does not really exist. He transcended our plane to some higher level and affects us only through his spirit
:)

As Aikido will not work with us as nage and someone (non-aikidoka) we do not know as uke.

Have you never worked with a beginner or someone from some other M.A.?
You might be surprised but some peoples Aikido does work on others even if none of the Uke practiced Aikido before. I tried that several times and actually found out the locks often work much earlier then I am used to (my fellow Aikido practitioners relax while the others tensed ...)

Amir

stelios
02-26-2007, 04:03 AM
True. :)

Angela Morton
02-26-2007, 01:57 PM
Agree, BUT Aikido (at least as O Sensei wanted it to be) means that no matter how brutal an attack you have to able to defend without doing any harm to your uke. And I believe that, yes, you should care if he lands flat on his face because that will mean that your aikido does not work! Otherwise there is no difference from the next martial art. What do you think?

I think there are many ways of interpretting what thers teach, even what O sensei teaches. Aikido is still a martial art, and i think O'senei would respect the difference between performing good aikido and having your oponent land flat on his face, and killing him or breaking his arm. O'sensei came for a culture where martial arts were deadly, that is true injury. A scraped nose because you're a thug who attacked the wrong person is karma. The very fact you said aikido should defend proves that it can be used without another aikidoka. You do not defend against other aikidoka in your dojo as there is no true intent behind their attack, so to defend it must be against a non aikidoka. I could say the bruses i get on my arms from yonkyo are injuries, but yonkyo tends to leave a bruise, that doesn't mean O'sensei didn't me us to practise is. In iaikido you're taught to get out of the way first, if you cant, get rid of your oppenent (throw him for example) and run. That is actually a very peaceful thing to do, and in other martial arts the aim to give your openent no chance to get up. In aikido you bring conflict to an end and get yourself into a safe place. I doubt O'sensei would approve of you not doing aikido when attacked in case your opponent can't fall properly, getting yourself stabbed because of that would appear rather silly in my opinion. Anyway, one description of aikido is about opponents being like water breaking on you. The water 'breaks'.

I really think O'sensei was more concerned with killing and injuring beyond need, self gratification through violence, rather than an attacker getting some bumps and bruises because they can't fall. People get hurt in fights, yet if aikido couldn't be used in a fight it wouldn't be a martial art, and that's exactly what it is. That is my opinion, and ithout having O'sensei here to ask it'll be quite hard to actually prove what all of his thoughts were one way or another.

Kevin Leavitt
02-26-2007, 02:10 PM
I think O'sensei understood about walking the narrow edge of the blade between violence and non-violence. non-violence does not mean no violence.

The Dali Lama even admits in retrospect that if he would have had knowledge of the pain, suffering, and death that would have been caused by his actions and leadership in response to the Chinese occupation, that he would today advocate taking up arms and fighting the chinese.

I think what is important is the gap that exist between stimulus and response...which is choice. What widens that gap is skill. the more skill we have in theory the more choice we have to make informed and appropriate decisions.

It is easy to say that the appropriate choice is to choose to protect your opponent and to avoid using violent action to resolve conflict, however that is not always possible.

Gaining awareness of our abilities and improving our skillfullness in this area is what it is all about. Certainly a noble pursuit to try and resolve with no violence...however, we must recognize the difference between philosophy and reality...AND be able to use what skills we have to the best of our ability.

That is aikido to me.

Angela Morton
02-27-2007, 06:07 AM
I think O'sensei understood about walking the narrow edge of the blade between violence and non-violence. non-violence does not mean no violence.

The Dali Lama even admits in retrospect that if he would have had knowledge of the pain, suffering, and death that would have been caused by his actions and leadership in response to the Chinese occupation, that he would today advocate taking up arms and fighting the chinese.

I think what is important is the gap that exist between stimulus and response...which is choice. What widens that gap is skill. the more skill we have in theory the more choice we have to make informed and appropriate decisions.

It is easy to say that the appropriate choice is to choose to protect your opponent and to avoid using violent action to resolve conflict, however that is not always possible.

Gaining awareness of our abilities and improving our skillfullness in this area is what it is all about. Certainly a noble pursuit to try and resolve with no violence...however, we must recognize the difference between philosophy and reality...AND be able to use what skills we have to the best of our ability.

That is aikido to me.

very well said.

Still think that the attacker brings the violence, and him landing flat on his face ends it and returns peace. Even if his does have a few bumps.

I'll have to remember what you said, i like it.

Roman Kremianski
03-04-2007, 06:38 PM
There's a wicked sweet video on YouTube of this guy throwing a bunch of UFC guys around with his ki in the locker rooms. Unfortunately, it's in the subscriber's area of YouTube, which you can gain access to after sending me $50 via paypal...

George S. Ledyard
03-05-2007, 07:40 PM
When you see something like this, you are not seeing great technique but rather great personal power. Not everyone has the ability to get other wise normal human beings to suspend their common sense. This is "cult" level stuff.

What is interesting is that it can get to the point at which the guy doing the stuff actually believes that he can do it.

Mike Sigman
03-05-2007, 08:18 PM
Funny you should say that. Here's a clip of a 'no touch' punch being performed for a TV show - but the guy performing it has no martial arts training whatsoever and freely admits (after the event) that he's a complete fraud. He's a (very impressive) stage hypnotist and magician, and his uke definitely seems to buy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQdJf-rTVFo
(you could skip to 1:30, there's a bit of a preamble)And of course, that video clip is one of Derren Brown's. Derren bills himself as a "psychological illusionist" and I've been following his stuff for a few years. He just put out a book called "Tricks of the Mind" which is an excellent, excellent book, IMO. It details some basics of mental tricks, memory, belief structure that causes us to do things, and so forth. In doing so, he touches on an interesting aspect of what cult-like behavior is (what George was just mentioning) and it's very enlightening to read his perspectives. I liked the book so much that I went back and bought a few extra copies to give as gifts... I have done that very few times in my life.

Regards,

Mike Sigman

gdandscompserv
03-05-2007, 08:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i096Zq2RQT8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3psYEPYaBo

gdandscompserv
03-05-2007, 08:31 PM
and one more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dZ6yLod5Eg
amazing stuff.

kifed_rebel
03-26-2007, 07:09 AM
Sonic boom!

I personally believe demonstrations like this are a dangerous and unneccessary part of the ki-community. As crazy as it sounds, a lot of people and prospective students may actually believe what is going on here is an integral part of the Aikido and other martial art syllabus; and that it is actually possible to project ki in this fashion. George Dillman springs to mind with his Dim Mak and "ki-ball" techniques; and his students appear to be completely brainwashed into his field of bullshido.

Marc Abrams
03-26-2007, 07:45 AM
When I was young, I use to help my step-mother train our dog (doberman pincher) for obedience competitions. Our dog was a national champ and I could get the dog to do all kinds of fun stuff with hand signals. The only thing that I want to know was whether this "Ki Master" shaped the behavior of his uke with doggy treats as well.

Ruff Ruff!

marc abrams

ps.- I am also a licensed psychologist. The power of belief is great, but I doubt that a person who wants to mug this guy would put much thought into the guy's foolish actions moments before being physically assaulted!

Mike Galante
03-26-2007, 07:54 AM
Sonic boom!

I personally believe demonstrations like this are a dangerous and unneccessary part of the ki-community. As crazy as it sounds, a lot of people and prospective students may actually believe what is going on here is an integral part of the Aikido and other martial art syllabus; and that it is actually possible to project ki in this fashion. George Dillman springs to mind with his Dim Mak and "ki-ball" techniques; and his students appear to be completely brainwashed into his field of bullshido.

Well put, Jason. You know this kind of "Bullshido" is being permeated throughout other fields of endeavor as well. It is especially prevalent in the natural medical field of which I am a part.
All kinds of ki healing techniques are "taught" to paying customers who become "masters" and other rank in the various "disciplines".
Homeopathy is another field as well becoming polluted by an over abundance of imagination.
No touch throws can be real, but not in these insane videos.
I think it is all a result of the waning influence of traditional values.
Religion, spirituality, work ethic, etc.
These people are not willing to put in the lifetime of dedication in a serious way, like it took Usheiba to develop our respected MA.
But if these people are not challenged and exposed for the charlatans they are, like Jason has said, some people will say that tai chi or aikido is all bullshido.

Tony Wagstaffe
04-03-2007, 09:16 AM
Sadly yes...... so very very sad..... its bringing tears to my eyes..... I just don't know whether to laugh or cry..... or should I retire back to my cave?...... where I can ponder..... how soooo! many people just want to fall for this kind of crap! This is the kind of stuff that also happens in aikido and people wonder why it gets trashed so much?? hardly surprising is it!
Tony

kironin
04-03-2007, 11:38 AM
All this stuff is just a sweet paying gig for the alpha males without a conscience preying on the betas' need for his approval.

Group think and belief is powerful stuff. The alpha male may even have convinced himself.

Well directed belief allows you to do accomplish amazing things. Our minds are wonderful machines of immense complexity.

Unfortunately some have no problem harnessing it to get others to do amazingly stupid things.

Jonestown was an extreme example.

Unfortunately the mass media conglomerates of nation states understand this all too well.

garry cantrell
04-03-2007, 12:08 PM
Benny Hinn is a televangelist who holds enormous worship services in arenas and the like. A primary draw for him is a portion of his service where he "heals" those afflicted with various maladies. Sometimes he bops them on the forehead with an open palm, sometimes he waves his hands at them, sometimes its a whole bunch of folks all at once, sometimes they're all the way across the arena. They all fall down when he does his hand waving bit. They all report positive experiences from same. Exposes by various agencies question the authenticity, or permanence, of his healing. Lots of folks are true believers and followers of Mr. Hinn and, while I could be labeled as a nonbeliever in such things (others might think "heretic" is more correct) - I'm not about to insult those who find benefit from his services.

OK, so what's my point? The guy in the video reminds me of Benny Hinn. I doubt the uke who gets knocked over from across the mat had the intent to deceive. I think he's caught up in the same sort of whatever it is that the folks who attend Benny Hinn events get caught up in.

Whadduya think?