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KamiKaze_Evolution
01-10-2007, 04:35 AM
While 1st time i entered my dojo, Aikido seens like traditional MA as peoples consider about. Aikido has no sparring competition, the reason is Aikido can kills during competition. My final consider is Aikido is usually works as reality, almost 40 years already Japanese public security dedicates Yoshinkan Aikido. I am still confused that am i learn Aikido or RBSD, other side Joe Thambu Sensei works at bouncer more than 30 years and he uses Aikido everyday at his working place.

Until now at Shudokan Dojo, i have still watch police tactics as performed by Ramlan Ahmed Sensei. I accept that because someone fells bored during practice kihon dosa with solo, but hiriki no yosei (1) and (2) helps to cultivates my arm power. IMHO, Aikido is RBSD as i do concern and that is why Shudokan Malaysia tries to bring it over public/private security.

So, is Aikido :ai: :ki: :do: really RBSD as you do concern?

NOTE: RBSD = REALITY-BASED SELF-DEFENSE

L. Camejo
01-10-2007, 04:38 AM
So, is Aikido :ai: :ki: :do: really RBSD as you do concern?

NOTE: RBSD = REALITY-BASED SELF-DEFENSEI think it depends on what reality you live in. For some it may be RBSD, for others probably not.

LC:ai::ki:

KamiKaze_Evolution
01-10-2007, 04:48 AM
I think it depends on what reality you live in. For some it may be RBSD, for others probably not.

LC:ai::ki:

Thanks for your concerns, anything is depends at myself how to survive at street.

Takumi
01-10-2007, 05:45 AM
I think Aikido is a very effective 'RBSD'. One of the major reasons is that uke's attacks are all real attacks that someone might do in reality. So nage's technique would then also be reality based.

Just my opinion...


-Dylan

DonMagee
01-10-2007, 05:49 AM
RBSD is a formalized system of fighting techniques trained in scenario type training. You are walking home and night and grabbed from behind, execute move sequence number 14.

While aikido techniques could make their way into this kind of training, it is not aikido. RBSD classes would have none of the spiritual teachings of aikido, talk of ki, clothing, or other aiki related stuff. It would only focus on a small subset of techniques and scenarios.

I would like to touch on something you said about aikido competition. The lack of competition has nothing to do with killing. Any martial art done properly has the ability to injure and kill. The reason there is no competition is purely a philosophical one. In fact, there is indeed a brance of aikido with competitions.

Keith R Lee
01-10-2007, 05:50 AM
I think Aikido is a very effective 'RBSD'. One of the major reasons is that uke's attacks are all real attacks that someone might do in reality. So nage's technique would then also be reality based.

Just my opinion...


-Dylan

You see lots of muggers coming in with a big winding "Heeya!" open hand strike to the head??? Intersting place you live in...

Takumi
01-10-2007, 06:07 AM
LOL!

Ok, so maybe not ALL the attacks are... But I am also a beginner at Aikido, so I am seeing the basics mostly... I was referring to katate dori, kate dori, tsuki, yokomen, and Shomen (In a sense). I personally do see that a lot.


-Dylan

RoyK
01-10-2007, 07:05 AM
I'm a beginner in aikido and in randori I've already noticed that the attack type isn't that important, I treat each attack like a representative of a group, and the basic defense and sometimes the techniques themselves work for the entire group with small modifications.

Eddie Heinzelman
01-10-2007, 10:16 AM
Our dojo approaches it as reality based for certain. We train with various attacks, weapons, etc. Even if it's a mental approach (this jo is a pool cue, this escrimi is a lead pipe, etc.), the focus is on defending against multiple opponents and various methods of attack. Do we breakfall and roll out of techniques in training? Of course. Do we apply the locks until someone taps? Absolutely.

In a parking lot downtown is a person going to shomen uchi with his hand (karate "chop" per say)? Not very likely. But it is likely that someone might come overhead with a pool cue, bat, pipe, etc. Is it likely that someone is going to round house punch to your temple or try to stab you in the gut with a knife? Definitely.

Aikido or any other martial art is not a magic pill you take and overnight you're a bad ass. It's a process of training to learn many skills (beyond just the techniques).

That's my 2 cents anyway.

Rock on!
Eddie

Kevin Leavitt
01-10-2007, 10:57 AM
I talked a little about my views on RBSD the other day in this thread, post #68. Might be of use to you.

http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showthread.php?p=164120#post164120

Also agree with Don Magee as usual concerning defining RSBD.


As Larry states, there are many definitions to RBSD.

RBSD is a tricky area. On one hand, you can learn some very efficient, quick and effective things for certain scenarios. Good for Police Officers that sometimes work within certain situations or parameters such as arresting someone.

On the other hand, if you spend too much time on specifics and don't develop a good base, then when you are presented with a situation or conditions that are different than what you are used to dealing with, then your game might fall apart.

I think for those studying martial arts as a lifesytle or what not, it is better to stick with a well rounded system, then supplement wtih RBSD scenarios from time to time.

Too many RBSD schools I think focus on the specifics, and not on the principles or basics, and therefore have a very narrow base...this is why they take a lot of heat in the Martial Arts community sometimes.

Cyrijl
01-10-2007, 11:49 AM
For those interested (and i am sure these have been posted before)

Here Matt Thornton talks about the basics of aliveness. He mentions RSBD type systems and expands on what Don and Kevin are getting at

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=2068450760833041053&q=aliveness

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=4838722756738846126&q=aliveness