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12-22-2006, 01:33 PM
This is probably more suited to a philosophy(?) class, but here goes.

It seems that the word fear gets thrown around a lot in public. If someone does/feels like A, fear must be an underlying reason.

Some examples 1) hate of anything/anybody 2) wanting to train hard with the goal of being able to defend themselves 3) looking under your car and in the back seat before opening the door (for those in the know, I saw it from Mas Ayoob on Personal Defense TV).

I guess I always believed that the reasons for 2 & 3 were only dealing with the reality of the world we live in.

I'm wondering for some if this has something to do with projecting how the person should feel based on how the person that says its fear feels about such practices?

Personally, I think its funny that someone puts the fear moniker on someone who they don't know. Also, I don't see why its such a big deal to admit fear (I'm afraid of snakes and sometimes heights), and thus the underlying reason (or fear) wouldn't really be "underlying" after all.

Any thoughts from those who may think that someone has fear because of their actions or beliefs, or those who think the same as me?

Kevin Leavitt
12-22-2006, 01:43 PM
There is nothing wrong with fear. It is a normal feeling and one that keeps us healthy in many cases. The issue for me, becomes when we take actions that may be irrational or without proper awareness of fear.

Luc X Saroufim
12-22-2006, 02:02 PM
forgive me for generalizing, but i think human beings are afraid of one, and only one, thing: what we don't know.

you wouldn't be afraid to climb the mountain if you knew you weren't going to fall.

you wouldn't attack a person if you knew they weren't going to hurt you.

you wouldn't be nervous for a test if you knew you were going to pass.

fear simply comes from not knowing.

Kevin Leavitt
12-22-2006, 02:12 PM
I have an irrational fear of heights. I know why I have it, I know what triggers it, and I have learned to control it. I was a pole vaulter in my past life and I jump out of airplanes from time to time in my profession. I am still scared and have to work very hard to prepare myself to do these things.

I do agree, that much fear comes from not knowing (ignorance) I do think this is the most dangerous type of fear.

Maybe there is a difference between fear and phobias???

I take my PT test every six months, I have never ever failed, and never will, however I still get nervous every time simply because I am being tested. It too is an irrational fear.

12-22-2006, 02:30 PM
I see where you're coming from. Fear is something that just is, its neither good nor bad in itself .. only what we do with it.
Depends on what "irrational" is. Probably has to be determined on a case by case basis. Also, with 3 people there will be 4 different opinions on what is "irrational".

Definitely, in some experiences of mine, fear is overcome by thorough study and understanding. Sometimes its not - I've gone skydiving and still don't like staring over a big drop unless its on a chairlift or mountain with a pair of skis. Just one example, but I'm not sure how much more I can understand heights. I guess I have to disagree that fear only comes from not knowing.

12-22-2006, 02:58 PM
There is a fear of consequence as well. I feared shots as a kid. I feared them because I knew they hurt. I used to flinch when people would throw punches at me. Again, because I knew what would happen if one hit.

Those are trained responses to keep the body safe. Sometimes they are good, sometimes they are bad.

12-22-2006, 06:42 PM
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01-03-2007, 09:32 PM
I don't think fear is the problem, it managing it that's difficult. Everyone has fear, the brave ones are the people who recognize and overcome.

01-04-2007, 10:22 AM
I don't think fear is the problem, it managing it that's difficult. Everyone has fear, the brave ones are the people who recognize and overcome.
On one hand I totally agree. Courage is being extremely afraid and doing the right thing anyway.

On the other hand, you don't have to recognize, manage, or overcome what you don't create to begin with.

Seldom do both my hands know what the other is doing or meaning. They like contradicting each other. Something about the unifying or harmonizing of contradictions and duality.

Kevin Leavitt
01-04-2007, 03:40 PM
Two words....ignorant bliss.

my shortest post all day! :)