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feck
12-09-2006, 07:18 AM
A few months ago I watched a film by a group of national reserve marines who went into iraq.

For the life of me I cannot remember the name, maybe its "The War Tapes", anyway while watching this documentary filmed entirely by the marines I noticed a qoute by one of the marines as he was walking around the canteen.

Basically now that no marine is issued with their own food kit anymore,
like plates, knives,forks and spoons, Haliburton has taken over the production, and serving of food to the US forces.
What actually struck me the most was that Haliburton now provides the troops with flimsy polystyrene canteen trays.

Now wait for it, the soldier walking around the mess hall stated that they charge the US government $28 dollars per tray, which i might add obviously get thrown away at the end of every meal.
The soldier went on to state that most, if not all of the soldiers use 2 trays per meal because they usually break.
As there were around about 4,000 soldiers on that base alone, this would cost around $224,000 dollars for every meal sit down at the base.
Maybe I'm wrong but I presume that soldiers have 3 meals a day leading the final figure for trays alone, for that one base to amount to
around $670,000 dollars a day, just for these trays.

How can haliburton get away with this?

Also while I'm here has anyone seen the new documentary
Iraq For Sale (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uok0DPkU0AU) , I paste a link here that links to a YouTube video free version that you can watch at your pleasure.

At the moment I have not watched it myself, but intend to soon.
The documentary is in parts that are provided in the sidebar, on that page. The link I gave you shows the first part.

Heres another link that shows you a short 3min video of a haliburton employee talking about contaminated water - Contaminated Water & Haliburton (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeIxHQ-lkuM)

What the *%$&(" is going on out there?

Michael Varin
12-09-2006, 08:06 PM
What the *%$&(" is going on out there?
Corporate welfare at its best.

It's no different now than it was when we came into WWI and WWII with you guys. Economic interests of the elite almost always play a major role in starting wars, but it doesn't get discussed by the general public. Socialism, interventionism, whatever you choose to call it, is totally destructive.

These things will continue to happen until we open our eyes, and refuse to accept anything but the free-enterprise system. Not some bastardization, but a true separation of economy and state. Until then, this will continue to be one of the many ways that government power is abused. But be sure not to blame big business for everything, almost all of us are guilty of the desire to use the power of government to help ourselves, our group, or our interests at the expense of others.

Michael

feck
12-10-2006, 05:28 AM
I totally agree Michael.

I've finally watched the "Iraq For Sale" documentary on YouTube yesterday, and I must say that its one of the most hard hitting documentaries I've ever seen. Both this and Farenheit 911 are cause enough for most of the civilised world (IMHO), to call for public investigations into the Iraq conflict, and maybe even regime change in both of our countries.

Anyway thats my two cents.

Thanks for responding Michael

Neil Mick
12-10-2006, 10:47 AM
How can haliburton get away with this?

With a supine Congress; a lapdog media and an Administration that's as crooked as the worst of Grant's term in office.

Also while I'm here has anyone seen the new documentary
Iraq For Sale (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uok0DPkU0AU) , I paste a link here that links to a YouTube video free version that you can watch at your pleasure.

At the moment I have not watched it myself, but intend to soon.
The documentary is in parts that are provided in the sidebar, on that page. The link I gave you shows the first part.

Thank you for posting that link. I've been watching all the parts now, and I'm up to Part 6.

You might also want to take a look at "Armed Madhouse," (http://www.gregpalast.com/madhouse/index.php/about/) which talks about the reasons why we went to Iraq (besides the lies).

GREG PALAST: We actually got our hands on two different plans for Iraq’s oil, a 101-page plan and a 323-page plan, which is all about, in great detail, what we are going do with Iraq’s oil, and the number of Iraqis involved in writing this thing is exactly zero. You know, and of course, the number of Americans who know that that’s why we’re in Iraq, and we even know from — in my research for Armed Madhouse, going through this and getting this document, I now know what was in the discussions between the oil companies, Ken Lay and Dick Cheney, in his bunker.

AMY GOODMAN: All right, what?

GREG PALAST: Well, and you’ll see there, they were going over the oil maps of Iraq, and the question was why was Ken Lay, you know, the kind of Al Capone of electricity –

AMY GOODMAN: He’s on trial right now, of course, in Houston.

GREG PALAST: – who’s on trial right now. The verdict is about to come down. Why was he in the meeting with oil companies, looking over the maps of Iraq? The answer is he was on this committee, drafting up the program for what to do about Iraq. And they had to get rid of Saddam, because he was jerking the oil markets up and down. I was very interested in why did we go into Iraq suddenly, and the answer was he was destabilizing the oil markets. He was making it jump up, making it jump down. And he had to go. And that’s right in the documentation.

AMY GOODMAN: Plan B?

GREG PALAST: Plan B — there are two plans. There was a neo-con plan, which was 101 pages long. Now, they actually did want to break up OPEC and destroy Saudi Arabia, but the Bush family wasn’t going to let that happen, nor was big oil. And you will see behind this all: James Baker and, of course, Dick Cheney. You know, actually the interesting thing — I was just realizing this morning — four years of investigation, Amy, you’ll find in the book. You’ll see all the stuff about the hugger muggers between Cheney, big oil, Rumsfeld, Jim Baker. Nowhere is there any discussion of George Bush. He was not in the picture. He was not in the frame. Basically, there was no decision made or even discussed with George Bush. He’s the president who’s not there.
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feck
12-10-2006, 02:09 PM
Neil

What an excellent documentary.
As for the book I will in the future read this, but at the moment I have other outside concerns that prevent me from reading anything at the moment.

have your ever read Rogue State by william blum?

Neil Mick
12-11-2006, 12:04 PM
Neil
have your ever read Rogue State by william blum?

No, I haven't.


What an excellent documentary.


You know, what really comes out in this doc is the sheer corruption, the massive rip-off that's going on in the name of "nation-building." it would be breathtaking, if it all weren't so nauseating. :hypno:

Don_Modesto
12-11-2006, 12:41 PM
...the sheer corruption, the massive rip-off that's going on in the name of "nation-building." it would be breathtaking, if it all weren't so nauseating. :hypno:Yup.

Documenting the imcompetence, if not precisely the corruption (my own recent reading):

Clarke, Richard A. Against all enemies : inside America's war on terror--from the man who 1) warned 'em, 2) apologized.

Scheuer, Michael. Imperial hubris--The title is talking about the US.

Scheuer, Michael. Through our enemies' eyes : Osama bin Laden--bin Laden beyond "they hate us for our freedoms"

Kolbert, Elizabeth. Field notes from a catastrophe--Contra W., global warming is happening.

Brinkley, Douglas. The great deluge : Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans--Fiasco, catastrophe, incompetence: the usual liberal media take on W. (with footnotes)

Rich, Frank. The greatest story ever sold--About industrial strength presidential and cabinet level lying

Johnson, Chalmers A. Blowback : the costs and consequences of America--Imperial Hubris, etc.

It's really depressing. I take valium and Stewart/Olbermann/Colbert/Dowd/Trudeau/McGruder as tonics.