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Talon
05-20-2006, 01:26 AM
Hey fellow Aikidoka...

I recently came across this site while serching for some Tomiki Aikido vids. I thought this site would lead me to sme funny joke at the end but to my surprise this guy's site is really trying you to buy his SECRETS.... His comments are so Aiki like too.

Check it out.

http://www.underground-training.com/a/optin3a.php

Is anyone in this world stupid enough to give this guy money?

Paul

PeterR
05-20-2006, 01:32 AM
So how did your seach for Tomiki get you this site?

Nothing secret about Tomiki.

Jory Boling
05-20-2006, 02:04 AM
So what did you learn after you entered your email and name?
Jory

kocakb
05-20-2006, 02:24 AM
:) I have an email which I use for useless things, I entered and below are some of the secrets from the web page:

_________________________

I am just like you! I have a life and don't have 20 hours a week to devote to martial arts training. I needed to know exactly how to kick anyone's ass who pissed me off right now... Not after 5 years of training...

Well here is the thing... I stumbled across a Aikido self-defense training system that is so lethal, so deadly and so easy-to-learn that...

Professional Martial Artist's HATE ME!

These are the secrets that can take any person at any level... and launch you into a whole new world of amazing skills that will leave others slack-jawed. You wanna put a kicking combination on an opponent so fast you can't see your legs move... and yet never miss a target (on your opponents body), even while you're using the kind of power most people fear? You wanna punch with so much nasty power and lazar focused accuracy that your opponent will remember you for the rest of his miserable, pain filled life? You want the kind of personal power that will earn instant respect...

Your going to learn Everything -- Including...

The 7 Deadly powers of Aikido that you need have aligned when throw ANY punch...
The 2 SECRET elbow techniques
The #1 secret you need to know to make sure you get out of every attack alive... "This is the secret combat Aikido strategy NO ONE KNOWS!"
Covert secrets to defending an attack against a gun. Use this secret technique the right way and your attackers gun will become YOUR GREATEST WEPON!!
Secret moves to defend yourself if your attacker has grabbed both your hands and is trying to control you.
The guaranteed way to put any attacker on his head within seconds of an attack. I don't care if your attacker is 200lbs larger then you... He will go down so fast he won't even know what happened...
An amazing secret that 99% of martial arts instructors fail to teach people about Aikido self-defense that will literally keep you alive in an attack...
_______________________________________________________________________

and the result
Subtotal $47.97
Taxes $0.00

Total $47.97
__________________________________________________________________________

there is nothing to say....as Paul said, I don't think that, at least don't want to believe that, anybody gives money to that...

Michael Meister
05-20-2006, 03:22 AM
Is anyone in this world stupid enough to give this guy money?

Paul

Stupid question... of course there are... there always are ;). There's old saying in tourism... "peolple want to be deceived"... :D .

Dennis Good
05-20-2006, 05:30 AM
So if we combine this with the paper clip throwing "of doooooom" then we could be gods among men. The world will fall before our martial might. All hail paper clips and Aikido speed kicking. muhaha MUHAHAHA :freaky:

Man of Aiki
05-20-2006, 09:17 AM
Go buy any recent martial arts magazine like Black Belt.

Every single one I've bought for over 20 years has an ad, often one that runs for an entire page or more, where some guy claims he's going to sell you a TRUE FIGHTING SYSTEM that will make you LETHAL AND UNSTOPPABLE that won't take FIVE YEARS TO LEARN.

Sad fact is, if guys like that weren't making money, they couldn't afford the ads all these years.

Talon
05-20-2006, 10:31 AM
I entered a useless e-mail as well to find out what it was. I actually thought it was a joke. With all of the recent talk on here about Aikido's lack of effectiveness I was expecting some lame thing like..."Here is the secret, if you trully want to be street effective buy a gun...ha ha..." or "Train BJJ not Aikido you Aiki-fruitie"....I really was expecting some lame thing like that and wanted to find out what this joker will say...To my surprise, this guy actually wanted money to show these supposed Aikido secrets...I was really surprised and wanted to share this little site with you guys...

Oh I did a search on Tomiki sparing vids just to see them. This site came up on the right side (where the paid sites usually come up) on google...

CNYMike
05-20-2006, 04:27 PM
Sounds like those full page adds that show up in Black Belt from titme to time, promising a system so deadly that a karate/TKD/Kung Fu/Whatever black belt went home and burned his black belt. I have to wonder -- does the same guy comem up with all of them? :)

:) I have an email which I use for useless things, I entered and below are some of the secrets from the web page:

_________________________

I am just like you! I have a life and don't have 20 hours a week to devote to martial arts training. I needed to know exactly how to kick anyone's ass who pissed me off right now... Not after 5 years of training...

Well here is the thing... I stumbled across a Aikido self-defense training system that is so lethal, so deadly and so easy-to-learn that...

Professional Martial Artist's HATE ME!

These are the secrets that can take any person at any level... and launch you into a whole new world of amazing skills that will leave others slack-jawed. You wanna put a kicking combination on an opponent so fast you can't see your legs move... and yet never miss a target (on your opponents body), even while you're using the kind of power most people fear? You wanna punch with so much nasty power and lazar focused accuracy that your opponent will remember you for the rest of his miserable, pain filled life? You want the kind of personal power that will earn instant respect...

Your going to learn Everything -- Including...

The 7 Deadly powers of Aikido that you need have aligned when throw ANY punch...
The 2 SECRET elbow techniques
The #1 secret you need to know to make sure you get out of every attack alive... "This is the secret combat Aikido strategy NO ONE KNOWS!"
Covert secrets to defending an attack against a gun. Use this secret technique the right way and your attackers gun will become YOUR GREATEST WEPON!!
Secret moves to defend yourself if your attacker has grabbed both your hands and is trying to control you.
The guaranteed way to put any attacker on his head within seconds of an attack. I don't care if your attacker is 200lbs larger then you... He will go down so fast he won't even know what happened...
An amazing secret that 99% of martial arts instructors fail to teach people about Aikido self-defense that will literally keep you alive in an attack...
_______________________________________________________________________

and the result
Subtotal $47.97
Taxes $0.00

Total $47.97
__________________________________________________________________________

there is nothing to say....as Paul said, I don't think that, at least don't want to believe that, anybody gives money to that...

Qatana
05-20-2006, 10:44 PM
The guy has about ten sites likt this, just substitue the word 'aikido" for any othr Martial Art. So far i've seen the katrae and TKD ones, identical in every way.

Dajo251
05-20-2006, 11:01 PM
all I can say is WTF?

Terry Troutman
05-20-2006, 11:15 PM
There was even an homage to that guy in Napolean Dynamite, right? "For just $300, I will teach you all the secrets I learned fighting for two seasons in the Octogon!"

Beard of Chuck Norris
05-21-2006, 08:43 AM
The #1 secret you need to know to make sure you get out of every attack alive... "This is the secret combat Aikido strategy NO ONE KNOWS!"


But somehow this guy does know, hmmm that is strange.

Napoloeon dynamite, ha, brilliant. REXQUANDO! :D

Nick Simpson
05-22-2006, 03:48 AM
"Frickin Sweet Nunchuck Skillz Dude!"

Leslie Leoni
05-22-2006, 01:39 PM
Who would honestly believe that you can learn ALL OF THIS without Practice, practice, practice. Anyone that has walked into a dojo and seen Aikido would know this was bull. Only someone who doesn't really want to "learn", just wants to show off would buy this *&%$!

Dan Rubin
05-22-2006, 02:49 PM
In Black Belt, May 1999, is a 4-full-pages ad like the ones described above. It's headlined "VICIOUS RUSSIAN ‘TOP SECRET' SPEC OP MILITARY FIGHTING SYSTEM FINALLY REVEALED BY DEFIANT ‘UNDERDOG' U.S. BUSINESSMAN!"

The businessman is the advertiser, who reports breathlessly that he has made secret contact with a teacher of that Russian fighting system. The teacher escaped from Russia to Canada, but is afraid to enter the United States. The businessman says that "finding this former Russian ‘super-solder' meant risking my ass with some serious international intrigue. Fortunately, I still have several ‘deep contacts' in the U.S. military special forces," and the teacher "sent word to me through a Ranger veteran in northern Idaho."

The rest of the 4-page ad talks about how vicious and deadly and unstoppable this art is, and how the U.S. government will try to prevent the businessman from selling you some tapes and a manual for only $99, so you have to order them right now!!

The mysterious teacher? You guessed it. Vladimir Vasiliev.

Jorx
05-22-2006, 03:49 PM
Looks like the Target Focus Training website...

Talon
05-23-2006, 02:54 PM
Well guys I got an e-mail from the guy giving me one of the secrets for free... :)

here is what the e-mail states:

Paul,

I sent this very important email out
a few days ago and had a lot of feedback
on it!

Also, I spent the weekend demonstrating
this technique and one guy almost filled
his pants when I showed him how easy
I could turn his arm into a tooth pick!

Here's the details:

============================

When someone tries to attack you or
rough you up a bit, the first thing they
will do is grab your collar with their
hand and wind up and try and punch you
with their other hand... Right?

It happens ALL THE TIME...

Here is EXACTLY how to protect
yourself:

Here is what you do to make sure that
dumb ass never uses that arm again.

First: When he (or she) grabs your collar
with their hand, don't panic...

Second: Once they get a firm grip just step
straight back. NOT lean back...

Third: At the EXACT same time, bring your
arms up till your elbows are about 6 inches
below your shoulders and the snap them
together real fast MAKING SURE you
bend his elbow backwards.

=============================
Cross your elbows in front of you so
it will snap his elbow backwards that is
holding your collar!
=============================

The goal is to bust his freek'in arm in
half...

VERY IMPORTANT - You MUST step
back one step because you need to get
his arm extended so you can snap it
like a dry branch!

From the time this person grabs you
till the time he is on the floor should
be about 4 seconds AT THE MOST...

YOU MUST bust his arm before he
throws a punch with his other arm...

Practice this on a friend... Don't
bust them up, but get a friend to
grab your collar and try and throw
a punch, then test this technique!

GET THIS - What I just told you is
one of the most basic Aikido
tactics for self-defense there is...

What you need to do is click this below
link right now so you can read a special
report that I created that will show you
the most DEADLY Aikido
secrets you will EVER learn...

http://www.underground-training.com/sp/Aikido.php

Will talk soon,

Jim Anderson

P.S. Don't forget to checkout this link...
Some very SERIOUS Aikido
secrets you should know about...

http://www.underground-training.com/sp/Aikido.php

Ron Tisdale
05-23-2006, 03:02 PM
Is anybody really stoopid enough to click the link?

[shakes head]

B,
R

Ben Eaton
05-23-2006, 03:44 PM
I read that site just for the comedy value, but this is the bit that made me laugh the most -

Our reputation is staked on being straight and honest with our customers.

Talon
05-23-2006, 03:49 PM
Is anybody really stoopid enough to click the link?

[shakes head]

B,
R

Ron....for the record, I din't click the links. As I mentioned in the begining, I really thought this guy's site was a joke so I explored it for the punch line...The punch line was I guess that the guy was really asking for money for his REAL secrets...lol....The site can be used for humor...as others have mentioned.