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Saw Y. C. Naw
04-22-2006, 10:34 PM
Last class, sensei went over the kotegaishi in some detail. This afternoon, my girlfriend and I were playing around and I did a kotegaishi on her. She tried to resist it and ended up hurting herself. She sat there with a displeased look, flexing and touching her wrist the way, like a kid who fell off her bike. I tried to apologize, but she stomped out of my apartment and went home. We were supposed to have spent another six hours together. :(

Has anyone been in a similar situation? I don't want to have to explain to sensei that I broke up with my girlfriend because I did a kotegaishi on her...

Any advice is welcome...

kaishaku
04-22-2006, 10:50 PM
A life lesson for sure. Don't apply joint locks to loved ones. Or chokes for that matter.

Chris Li
04-22-2006, 10:55 PM
Last class, sensei went over the kotegaishi in some detail. This afternoon, my girlfriend and I were playing around and I did a kotegaishi on her. She tried to resist it and ended up hurting herself. She sat there with a displeased look, flexing and touching her wrist the way, like a kid who fell off her bike. I tried to apologize, but she stomped out of my apartment and went home. We were supposed to have spent another six hours together. :(

Has anyone been in a similar situation? I don't want to have to explain to sensei that I broke up with my girlfriend because I did a kotegaishi on her...

Any advice is welcome...

Hmm, if you were doing Karate or boxing would you have punched her in the face?

Best,

Chris

Tom Liauw
04-23-2006, 03:21 AM
"Don't apply joint locks to loved ones."

Couldn't have said it better.

merlynn
04-23-2006, 03:23 AM
mmmmmmmmmm i think you should be buying flowers and stuff for her, nothing like a bit of grovelling to say sorry mate :D :p

batemanb
04-23-2006, 03:23 AM
Comments, yeah, don't try and apply aikido techniques to friends unless you are specifically practicing with them. Of course you're gonna hurt your girlfriend if you do this (unless she trains aikido too) because a) she doesn't know how to react against what you're doing, and b) you don't have enough control over your technique to know when you're putting too much into it......

Jorge Garcia
04-23-2006, 04:42 AM
I don't want to have to explain to sensei that I broke up with my girlfriend because I did a kotegaishi on her...


I don't think this is something you need to report to your Sensei. Looks to me like you have figured out what you did was a bad idea. Besides, if I were you, I wouldn't want my Sensei to know I was that dumb.(Nothing personal in the comment because you're not alone in that mistake.)

Charles
04-23-2006, 06:47 AM
My goode wyffe studied Aikido for six months or so quite a few years back. Recently, she asked me to remind her how to do an yonkyo. I complied and was in the dog house for days. Don't ever do AIkido with loved ones outside of the dojo.

More recently she was on the futon and asked me to help her up. She grabbed both of my wrists and I gently pulled back with my center. All went well until she reached the top, perfectly balanced. For some reason I don't understand and without any help from my brain my palms suddenly turned out and away from me -- sending my goode wyffe across the room. More time in the dog house.

But your situation is a good one. With girl friend out of the picture you'll have more time to devote to practice.

villrg0a
04-23-2006, 07:27 AM
You should go to her house and do a sankyo. That should correct the problem :) (Joke)

About a year back, my 2 yr old daugther managed to get hold of a big scissor (pointed edge) and started running around the house with it. I panicked, went after her and I was trying to get the thingy from her hands but she would not let go of it. I did an ikkyo tenkan and very gently put her down on the floor, still in ikkyo I managed to get the thingy...

There's another incident with the wife... but I'll save that for next time :)

chris w
04-23-2006, 08:39 AM
She tried to resist it and ended up hurting herself.

i would argue that she did not hurt herself, you hurt HER. if i was playing around and trying to show a technique to someone that doesnt practice (which is a silly thing to do anyway), i would not apply the technique fully if i felt any resistance. if i did so and the person got hurt, i would feel 100% responsible ;)

ajbarron
04-23-2006, 09:28 AM
NO NO No NO No No No No. Never. Never.Never Never.
:disgust: evileyes :mad:

Marry her first before you kotegaeshi her ........................... then at least the relationship and benefits last a bit longer !!!!
:D :blush:
My wife's a soccer player and I don't try to take the ball from her. She plays squash and I run about the court the entire game as she places shots.
:D
I Aikido, She not, and "never the twane shall meet"
:)
Words from the old and wise.

John (King John)
04-23-2006, 11:39 AM
Last class, sensei went over the kotegaishi in some detail. This afternoon, my girlfriend and I were playing around and I did a kotegaishi on her. She tried to resist it and ended up hurting herself. She sat there with a displeased look, flexing and touching her wrist the way, like a kid who fell off her bike. I tried to apologize, but she stomped out of my apartment and went home. We were supposed to have spent another six hours together. :(
..

Personally I would consider myself to be lucky to be still breathing! :blush:
Never mind the loss of 'intimacy' for the night. :drool:

Aiki Teacher
04-23-2006, 11:58 AM
As some said earlier, flowers are nice!!!

SmilingNage
04-23-2006, 12:41 PM
This all goes to show what you are learning is not kid's play. With any technique from any art, you should show restraint in using or applying the technique off the mat.
IMO, its a breach of trust between you and your instructor. He handed you the technique for your study and exploration, not to be used as a parlor trick.

Kevin Leavitt
04-23-2006, 01:44 PM
Also don't ever ask your wife to "pull your finger" Mine is never impressed with the release of excess KI no matter how philsophically I try to explain it! :)

MikeLogan
04-23-2006, 02:30 PM
Rimshot!

MikeLogan
04-23-2006, 02:49 PM
She tried to resist it and ended up hurting herself
Considering most of us only know it's better to not resist solely from training in aikido, when showing anyone outside the art a technique that, if you feel resistance it's only because it's a natural reaction they haven't learned to control. Even if you were the grand master of kotogaeshi in all the world, she'd have zero idea how to receive it.

If you're lucky the Ladies of Aikido will comment on your dire predicament. As for her reaction, she was probably at first shocked to feel such odd control over her limbs/balance, and she most likely wanted that control back ASAP. The pain experienced by her was because you did not relinquish that control. You didn't mean any harm, but imagine that you didn't know aikido, and it was your girlfriend's older brother that wanted to show you this really cool thing called Kotegaishi. 1, you would look like a weak, awkward male, 2 it would be in front of the girlfriend, 3 it would hurt, and you would be experiencing someone else holding control over you that you did not want to continue.

Put this event in the context of the rest of your life for extra awareness body-building. what we're learning is enjoyable, but then so is rock climbing and downhill skiing. Respect it as potentially dangerous.

Good luck, and be happy if she talks to you again, and be happy every time she talks to you thereafter.

Gustaf Rydevik
04-23-2006, 03:38 PM
Similar things have happened to me more than once.
You're playing around with someone, wrestling or so, and thern comes a wonderful opening fora nice technique and *whoops*. "It's not supposed to hurt that much.."

The most common problem for me is ikkyo. If I wan't to put someone down nice and gentle, a basic ikkyo seems like a safe choice.
But ikkyo hurts *a lot* to someone who's not used to it!

So now I'm just trying to tie my hands behind my back and not do anything...

Mary Eastland
04-23-2006, 05:17 PM
I am not sure why this is in the humor section....hurting someone is not funny. You could call her and tell her how very wrong you were and that you will never do it again. I second the thought that you hurt her she did not hurt herself.
Mary

Lucy Smith
04-23-2006, 07:08 PM
Hmm, if you were doing Karate or boxing would you have punched her in the face?

That's a mean thing to say!! We all know Aikido is not suposed violent and the fact that she hurt herself was not intentional. The thing is, she was not used to it, so she tryed to resist, which is the worst thing you can do.

Just buy her flowers, go to her house, say you're sorry and you didn't realize what you were doing. Tell her it's not going to happen again.

If she doesn't forgive you, she's the meanest. So move on.

Saw Y. C. Naw
04-23-2006, 07:20 PM
Similar things have happened to me more than once.
You're playing around with someone, wrestling or so, and thern comes a wonderful opening fora nice technique and *whoops*. "It's not supposed to hurt that much.."

The most common problem for me is ikkyo. If I wan't to put someone down nice and gentle, a basic ikkyo seems like a safe choice.
But ikkyo hurts *a lot* to someone who's not used to it!

So now I'm just trying to tie my hands behind my back and not do anything...

I see that we can relate to each other very well. I mean, how else could an aikido student react to a loved one who keeps trying to scratch them :D (and not just kitty scratches, I mean real scratches that bleed)

Due to circumstances, I get very little dojo time this semester -- 80 mins a week. So I'm itching for practice outside the dojo and well... stuff happens. :confused:

I'm still considering Mr. Villareal advice to compensate with a sankyo cos it makes sense :P

Saw Y. C. Naw
04-23-2006, 07:24 PM
Just buy her flowers, go to her house, say you're sorry and you didn't realize what you were doing. Tell her it's not going to happen again.

If she doesn't forgive you, she's the meanest. So move on.

Thanks, you're so sweet. It's probably no biggie; we have such petty conflicts all the time. I just thought that by the time she got her third kotegaishi, she'd be used it by now...

*runs from all the angry aikidoka*

How come no-one has mentioned the old "sit down and sulk back until she calls you" technique? :D

Dajo251
04-23-2006, 07:47 PM
MY girlfriend "loves it!"(hint hint wink wink) when I do ikkyo and nikkyo to her...

Chris Li
04-23-2006, 08:06 PM
That's a mean thing to say!! We all know Aikido is not suposed violent and the fact that she hurt herself was not intentional. The thing is, she was not used to it, so she tryed to resist, which is the worst thing you can do.

She didn't "hurt herself", someone hurt her. If it wasn't intentional it was only because they were too dense to realize the fact that Aikido techniques are just as (and often more) damaging than techniques from any other system of fighting, non-violent goals or not.

Best,

Chris

eyrie
04-23-2006, 09:22 PM
I am not sure why this is in the humor section....hurting someone is not funny.


For the same reason that idiotic TV show "Funniest Home Videos" ain't funny.

Jory Boling
04-23-2006, 10:16 PM
"With great power comes great responsibility." -Uncle Ben

Has anyone showed ther significant other a technique only to haver her/him sneak up on you and appy it (quite effectively?)?

Saw Y. C. Naw
04-23-2006, 10:19 PM
"With great power comes great responsibility." -Uncle Ben

Has anyone showed ther significant other a technique only to haver her/him sneak up on you and appy it (quite effectively?)?

I'd love to hear stories of this.

If only that happened to me (i.e if only I could get my significant other to take an interest in the art) I would probably be happy enough to let her dislocate a few joints

Jory Boling
04-23-2006, 10:49 PM
Trying to increase her interest, I showed my fiance how to slip outside a tsuki, swoop behind me, and unbalance me by pulling back on my shoulders (what ist he official term for this?). Afterwards she'd sneak up on me to pull me out of a chair (probably while on aikiweb) or while I was foraging in the fridge. She didn't know how dangerous it was! But I guess it worked. She started aikido in February. Good Luck!

villrg0a
04-23-2006, 11:55 PM
Trying to increase her interest, I showed my fiance how to slip outside a tsuki, swoop behind me, and unbalance me by pulling back on my shoulders (what ist he official term for this?). Afterwards she'd sneak up on me to pull me out of a chair (probably while on aikiweb) or while I was foraging in the fridge. She didn't know how dangerous it was! But I guess it worked. She started aikido in February. Good Luck!

it's ushiro nage :)

Lucy Smith
04-24-2006, 12:25 AM
She didn't "hurt herself", someone hurt her. If it wasn't intentional it was only because they were too dense to realize the fact that Aikido techniques are just as (and often more) damaging than techniques from any other system of fighting, non-violent goals or not.

Well if she hadn't resist, she wouldn't have gotten hurt (ok I know something about that sentence must be wrong, but I dunno how else to put it). And, yes, Aikido techniques can be very damaging, if you resist. If someone punches you on the face, he's definitely and conciously trying to hurt you, but if he applies you an Aikido technique, he's probably teasing with no harm intentions.

;)

Lucy

raul rodrigo
04-24-2006, 12:33 AM
Trying to increase her interest, I showed my fiance how to slip outside a tsuki, swoop behind me, and unbalance me by pulling back on my shoulders (what ist he official term for this?). Afterwards she'd sneak up on me to pull me out of a chair (probably while on aikiweb) or while I was foraging in the fridge. She didn't know how dangerous it was! But I guess it worked. She started aikido in February. Good Luck!


Kiri otoshi

Josh Reyer
04-24-2006, 12:34 AM
Well if she hadn't resist, she wouldn't have gotten hurt (ok I know something about that sentence must be wrong, but I dunno how else to put it).

I use a light kotegaeshi to demonstrate "aikido" all the time. No one ever gets hurt. Why? Because I control the technique. If I feel the slightest resistence, I back off. If she hadn't resisted, she wouldn't have gotten hurt, sure. But if he hadn't continued the technique when she resisted, she wouldn't have gotten hurt. The final responsibility is his.

Chris Li
04-24-2006, 01:12 AM
Well if she hadn't resist, she wouldn't have gotten hurt (ok I know something about that sentence must be wrong, but I dunno how else to put it). And, yes, Aikido techniques can be very damaging, if you resist. If someone punches you on the face, he's definitely and conciously trying to hurt you, but if he applies you an Aikido technique, he's probably teasing with no harm intentions.

;)

Lucy

So if I stick out my foot and trip someone then I have no responsibility if they fall down and break their nose? After all, it was just intended to be a joke, and I didn't actually do anything to them - they did it to themselves with their own momentum. And FWIW, plenty of people smack each other in play without "definitely and conciously trying to hurt you".

Aikido techniques, like techniques from any martial art, are dangerous. Suppose that she hadn't resisted - what then? She doesn't know how to fall (presumably), so unless handled carefully she stood a good chance of injury at that point as well.

Intentions or not, responsibility ought to be taken - his action was the cause, not her failure to realize the futility of resistance (which is after all, the normal reaction and should have been expected).

Best,

Chris

Hanna B
04-24-2006, 01:47 AM
It is impossible to put any, just any part of the blame on the victim for "hurting herself". If it was in an aikido class, and the person getting hurt not a beginner: yes. Otherwise: no. If it is a "biggie" or not... well that is up to the girlfriend. The way you describe it, it might well be.

I don't want to have to explain to sensei that I broke up with my girlfriend because I did a kotegaishi on her...


Thanks, you're so sweet. It's probably no biggie; we have such petty conflicts all the time. I just thought that by the time she got her third kotegaishi, she'd be used it by now...


I suggest you do exactly what you do not want to:

Bring this up with your teacher. If you do not want to tell your teacher you are doing kotegaeshis on your girlfriend... you should not be doing them. The fact that you originally placed the thread in the "humour" section might be a bad sign, that you do not understand when you truly are hurting people. I hope it is not.

Flowers might be a good idea. An honest promise to her and to yourself to stop playing around with aikido techniques on her is probably a lot more important.

batemanb
04-24-2006, 01:59 AM
I showed my fiance how to slip outside a tsuki, swoop behind me, and unbalance me by pulling back on my shoulders (what ist he official term for this?).

Iriminage

Hanna B
04-24-2006, 02:00 AM
Has anyone showed ther significant other a technique only to haver her/him sneak up on you and appy it (quite effectively?)?

Not really. I can tell you another "sneek up on" story, though.

This guy is doing kyokushin karate, which involves lots of knee kicks. Hi comes home at a timepoint when the girlfriend is usually not there (they live together). She realises he thinks the house is empty, and decides to surprise him: she jumps out from behind a cupboard and slides his shorts down.

He has do idea of what happens, until he hears her jaw break at the contact with his knee.

This was completely unintentional. No one had any intention of anyone getting hurt. Still, I think no one would say she "hurt hurself".

Jory Boling
04-24-2006, 04:54 AM
...This guy is doing kyokushin karate ...She realises he thinks the house is empty, and decides to surprise him....hears her jaw break at the contact with his knee.. I think no one would say she "hurt hurself".

:uch: In retrospect, were you- I mean, was she surprised at what happened?

Was the knee to the jaw done from reflex or did her jaw enter the path of some motion he was practicing? I'd say, if somebody intentionally sneaks up on a martial artist (especially while they are practicing!!!) and then gets a fat lip, they "hurt" themselves!

Has anyone else been startled (or been the startler) and simply reacted?

Jory

Jory Boling
04-24-2006, 04:59 AM
... I don't want to have to explain to sensei that I broke up with my girlfriend because I did a kotegaishi on her...

Why would you have to explain to your sensei that you broke up with your girlfriend, to begin with?

Unless your sensei is her dad- or mom.

Mark Freeman
04-24-2006, 05:00 AM
A life lesson for sure. Don't apply joint locks to loved ones. Or chokes for that matter.

Worked wonders on my kids!! ;)

Seriously though, applying aikido locks off the mat with untrained people is not to be recommended. As the lady in question will testify.
Yet why oh why is there a never ending debate going on about whether aikido is effective in a 'real life fight' when it is painfull even 'when we are trying to be gentle'??

Just a thought

Mark
p.s this thread should be in another section :straightf

Hanna B
04-24-2006, 06:19 AM
:uch: In retrospect, were you- I mean, was she surprised at what happened?

I do not know the answer to that question. I do not know her, I have the story from his brother.

Was the knee to the jaw done from reflex or did her jaw enter the path of some motion he was practicing?

He was not practicing. Ha had just come home, and walked around in the house wearing shorts. I do not think I wrote anything that points in that direction that he was practising, but if I did that was a mistake.

I'd say, if somebody intentionally sneaks up on a martial artist (especially while they are practicing!!!) and then gets a fat lip, they "hurt" themselves!

I do not know the precise extent of the injury to the cheek bone, but it was certainly more than "a fat lip". Having training in martial arts does not make other people responsible for your irrational overreaction when startled. I am quite convinced he does not feel "she hurt hurself".

Jory Boling
04-24-2006, 09:07 AM
i'm not as mean as i sounded! i thought he was "doing" his routine at the same time and he was caught up in the moment. i agree, she did not hurt herself! thanks for the story.

p.s. I defended his reaction from overreacting a couple of times myself when startled.

Mark Gibbons
04-24-2006, 10:10 AM
The few times I've shown my wife something she might enjoy from an aikido class she is almost always in the role of nage. If I can't describe it and walk her thru it then she probably wasn't going to be interested anyway. Its a lot safer physically and maritally if I'm the uke. Just an idea.

Mark

Eric Webber
04-24-2006, 11:40 AM
Give your girlfriend kisses, keep your kotegeishi for the bad guys. Learn control before attempting to make a technique "gentle" and "friendly" - these techniques were not originally friendly, they were combat effective; in raw and unpolished form, they are still combat effective (that's why they're taught in corrections and law enforcement). I agree that flowers are appropriate, as is chocolate, wine, and grovelling. Good luck.

Janet Rosen
04-24-2006, 11:57 AM
She didn't "hurt herself", someone hurt her. If it wasn't intentional it was only because they were too dense to realize the fact that Aikido techniques are just as (and often more) damaging than techniques from any other system of fighting, non-violent goals or not.
couldn't have said it better myself.
not to mention aikido as technique flowing in response to incoming energy--how the hell is a non-aikido person supposed to protect herself when a trusted friend grabs on and applies a static joint lock?!
you'd best grovel, mate. i might see this as a sign of terminal stupidity in a b'friend and walk away.

RebeccaM
04-24-2006, 12:57 PM
So a while back I got involved in some horseplay at work. It started when i tried to change radio stations becuase the song that was on gave me the creepy-crawlys. My labmate had other ideas. We scuffled, she grabbed me by the shirt, right at the shoulder, and naturally I initiated a nikkyo. She stiffened and locked her elbow. It was an arm break waiting to happen, but I was paying attention so I...wait for it...let her go. Just like that. I opened up my hands, held my arms out, and she understood what I could have done and was now doing and let me go too.

That is what you SHOULD have done. What you DID do was miss the part where you're watching/feeling your partner, and you ended up cuasing pain. Not only that, but you probably swore up and down you wouldn't hurt her before trying the kotegaishi, so now she has a sore wrist and her trust has been violated, which is what's hurting her much, much more than the wrist.

Flowers, chocolate, abject apologies, promises to never, ever try a stunt like that again. Rinse and repeat. And then KEEP THE PROMISES. Next time you want to show her some aikido, talk her into watching a class.

HooverGurl
04-24-2006, 01:06 PM
well, my ex used to do all sorts of stuff on me, tho mainly sankyo. i was never happy abt it, :mad: but i got over it. i mean, its not really that big of a deal. just keep apologizing and promise not to do it on her again. that always worked for me! :)

Suwariwazaman
04-24-2006, 01:46 PM
that is funny! i was messing around with a co-worker some time ago. He was waving a marker at me, and came into a tsuki. i didnt place too much pressure, but was caught by surprise with the marker, i tenkaned, then took another step and pulled down caught kotegaeshi, and then settled like a sword. by the time I realized that he was on the ground screaming and kicking. I did let go, and moved out of the way from the kicking with hast. I apologized and asked if he was ok. He said man dont freak out, but I said I didnt. I was just defending myself, and meant no harm. He never did that again to me. He does however challenge me every once in while. any thoughts?

Richard Langridge
04-24-2006, 02:29 PM
Er, I hope you're not laughing at the original post...

Saw Y. C. Naw
04-24-2006, 04:41 PM
well, my ex used to do all sorts of stuff on me, tho mainly sankyo. i was never happy abt it, :mad: but i got over it. i mean, its not really that big of a deal. just keep apologizing and promise not to do it on her again. that always worked for me! :)

Hehe, that worked for me too :P

Just in case anyone wants to know, the next day she was like the whole thing never happened.

(Well, at least until the next time I get dojo urges...)

Saw Y. C. Naw
04-24-2006, 05:09 PM
Just some clarification, for those who think I never intended to hurt her and so flowers should do, as well for those who think that I'm a jerk and should be shot. :D

It wasn't the OMG-you-really-hurt-me-and-I-hate-you type of walk-out. It was more like Why-do-you-keep-practicing-your-stupid-techniques-on-me-of-all-people-you-big-jerk kind of thing. I'm used to applying the techniques very gently because the majority of my class are unranked petite women. I can't go more than half-momentum in my dojo, and well... who can resist a gf with some muscles :p We often play at "street fighting" (boy she has a lot of 'HP' hit points, and the fingernails to boot). It's just that I snuck up on her while she was writing a paper, and that ticked her off.

I didn't want to post this in the General forum because I didn't think it was that serious, but I guess it should have been in somewhere else, like "off-the-mat".

Oh, and we're always fine the next day after something hits the fan... don't you guys just :ai: someone like that? :)

Michael O'Brien
04-24-2006, 07:04 PM
Having training in martial arts does not make other people responsible for your irrational overreaction when startled.
Since we do not know the whole story I would hardly call his reaction an "irrational overation" by any means.

He was in his home alone for all he knew. It was clearly stated no one else was supposed to be there. Then he is for all intents and purposes "attacked from behind". He responded just as his training indicated he should and defended himself with reasonable force.

Maybe this could also be a lesson to all of the girlfriends, boyfriends, and spouses out there who think it is cute to kick, punch, slap, etc at their significant others who train in martial arts. Attacking someone who isn't expecting it can lead to a natural reflex reaction which may lead to your getting hurt.

Saw Y. C. Naw
04-24-2006, 08:01 PM
Maybe this could also be a lesson to all of the girlfriends, boyfriends, and spouses out there who think it is cute to kick, punch, slap, etc at their significant others who train in martial arts. Attacking someone who isn't expecting it can lead to a natural reflex reaction which may lead to your getting hurt.

So I guess the question is: How would a martial artist learn to avoid reacting naturally in social situations, while maintaining awareness and adaptability at the same time?

I mean, the loved ones and the children in your family could "play" with you in this way at any time. Is the only solution to tell everyone around you "DON'T ever surprise me kids, because I can be bad. Very bad."

Michael O'Brien
04-24-2006, 08:13 PM
So I guess the question is: How would a martial artist learn to avoid reacting naturally in social situations, while maintaining awareness and adaptability at the same time?

I mean, the loved ones and the children in your family could "play" with you in this way at any time. Is the only solution to tell everyone around you "DON'T ever surprise me kids, because I can be bad. Very bad."
LOL ... Early on that may be part of it. I'l tell a boring story about my childhood that may help some or may just be better than a sleeping pill for you. LOL

My father was a Marine and I grew up around guns long before I ever learned to "fight". I was always taught never ever point a gun at something you didn't want to kill. That mindset has stuck with me through my martial arts training as well. When confronted/surprised/etc as my body starts to react naturally I always try to focus on what I call "target identification". I am usually already early into technique by the time my brain registers that my "target" is my wife, step-daughter, or best friend that just loves to push my buttons.

The only time I ever actually was attacked on the street I had been studying TKD for 5 years and was preparing for my Shodan test. I was jumped from behind and that natual reaction took over and the guy was unconsious in about 2 seconds. I realized he was out as he was falling, and to be honest, it scared the crap out of me.

The point of all of my rambling I guess is to be acutely aware that your training can inflict serious injury and is a gift not to be taken lightly.

Just like your reflexes and techniques will sharpen over time, so will your control and "target identification" skills. Always be aware that you can injure someone and you will be less likely to actually do it unless you are left no other choice.

crbateman
04-25-2006, 02:58 AM
This episode certainly serves as a classic illustration of how one can win the battle, but lose the war... ;)

xuzen
04-25-2006, 03:08 AM
So I grappled with my wife in bed last Sunday for the remote control. She won naturally. I have never win at grappling with her before. If I won, it would again be another case of winning the battle, but losing the war... if you guys catch my drift.

beanchild
04-25-2006, 09:51 AM
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The only time I ever actually was attacked on the street I had been studying TKD for 5 years and was preparing for my Shodan test. I was jumped from behind and that natual reaction took over and the guy was unconsious in about 2 seconds. I realized he was out as he was falling, and to be honest, it scared the crap out of me.

The point of all of my rambling I guess is to be acutely aware that your training can inflict serious injury and is a gift not to be taken lightly.

Just like your reflexes and techniques will sharpen over time, so will your control and "target identification" skills. Always be aware that you can injure someone and you will be less likely to actually do it unless you are left no other choice.
I'm glad you said that. There are times when I think to myself, man, I'm training and training, and I just seem to be getting worse. And I know part of it is I'm paying more attention to the nuances of technique, but it still is bothersome.
So it's good to hear from another that after training, it does become muscle memory.

NixNa
04-25-2006, 12:41 PM
Oh, and we're always fine the next day after something hits the fan... don't you guys just :ai: someone like that? :)

:ai: ?? I think u mean to say "ai" as in love, wrong character. :ai: = harmony heh..

Anyhow, ive overreacted a number of times in the past and it can be really embarrassing sometimes .. :triangle:

Saw Y. C. Naw
04-25-2006, 01:31 PM
:ai: ?? I think u mean to say "ai" as in love, wrong character. :ai: = harmony heh..

Anyhow, ive overreacted a number of times in the past and it can be really embarrassing sometimes .. :triangle:

Then what is it? They don't have "suki-suki" in the smilies box :(

Michael Douglas
04-25-2006, 01:53 PM
Dumb.
Wrestle gently, don't hurt her.

Suwariwazaman
04-25-2006, 03:26 PM
No Richard I wasnt laughing at the original post, Sorry if you thought that. I mess with my friends all the time. I am very careful usually, but that was a irregular occurance. I was just pointing out aikido is effective! yeh! I hope his girlfriend is o.k.! I thought it was one of those HA! HA! Gottcha playing around things, if I'm right. But flowers or a dinner is good idea! happy Aiki!!!:)

Ivan Sekularac
04-25-2006, 03:52 PM
It is always the same when someone asks you to show them waht is Aikido.

They want you to show them how it works but it is not karate or boxing so you cannot do it 'in the air' you need a partner... trouble is when you try it on them if you go too softly they would be like"I don't feel a thing, it doesn't work" but if you really do it they scream in pain and get angry.

Some people would accept 'soft' demonstration and be happy with it but some will demand for you to do it 'hard'... I would and afterwords I would tell them:"You aked to see what it is, didn't you?"

Josh Reyer
04-26-2006, 03:17 AM
Then what is it? They don't have "suki-suki" in the smilies box :(

愛 (http://thejapanesepage.com/kanji/kanji.php?u=1&kanji_id=283)

Click on the character for more information...

Mark Freeman
04-26-2006, 04:07 AM
So I grappled with my wife in bed last Sunday for the remote control. She won naturally. I have never win at grappling with her before. If I won, it would again be another case of winning the battle, but losing the war... if you guys catch my drift.

Yes Xu I do catch your drift, but my curiosity is - you are in bed, what needs a remote control ? ;)

NixNa
04-26-2006, 11:22 AM
愛 (http://thejapanesepage.com/kanji/kanji.php?u=1&kanji_id=283)

Click on the character for more information...

Thats right, love baby love woo hoo! NEVER use ur gf as rag doll, i know it tooooo well.. too well.. :uch: