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Grab My Wrist. Blog Tools Rate This Blog
Creation Date: 03-13-2008 03:01 PM
Jonathan
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I teach Aikido at a small dojo in Winnipeg, Canada. Been doing so for many years now. This blog is just a collection of ruminations on teaching, descriptions of the events of daily practice, and the occasional funny story.
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In General Ki master - yeah, right. Entry Tools Rate This Entry
  #16 New 09-30-2008 09:59 PM
I'm going to be very opinionated in this blog entry.

I just watched a high-ranked aikido teacher (8th dan, I believe) doing some no-touch "throwing" on YouTube. Naturally, I thought the whole thing was ridiculous. The students were flinging themselves in massive, flipping arcs through the air in response to small waving motions from the sensei. I would've laughed at this demonstration if it didn't make Aikido look so bad.

I watched a vid clip on YouTube of a "ki master" doing similar things with his students.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tib2Urowsdc

This guy would wave his arms around and his students would leap through the air, or they'd jerk and writhe on the ground in response to the smallest movement from their teacher. I later saw the same "ki master" in another vid clip knocked on his butt and humiliated by a young kick boxer. This "ki master" lasted about a minute (if that) before his little fantasy world of ki mastery was brought to a humiliating end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jf3Gc2a0_8

I think this needs to happen to some of the senior Aikido teachers I see representing the art in the same way as this "ki master." I think having a few of the big names in Aikido actually prove their Aikido works (or not) against a genuine challenge would be extremely good for the art. Much of the nonsense that has found its way into Aikido would be removed by this vigorous "process of elimination."

(For those of you who have seen clips of Osensei doing no-touch throws, I would urge you to make a close comparison between what he does and what idiots like the above "ki master" are doing. More than this, though, Osensei defeated a number of serious challengers and proved that what he was doing was not the empty foolishness of some Aikido shihan today.)
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#4 10-06-2008 01:17 PM
Jonathan Says:
Enrique: Except for eye-witness accounts, there is no documentation of Osensei's fights. The principles of Aikido are, in part, to utilize Aiki (internal power, Ki/Chi/Kokyu) to defeat an attacker. Without actual fighting, it is difficult, I think, to know whether or not one can truly effectively apply internal power martially. Ki tests just don't cut it.
#3 10-06-2008 12:53 PM
Jonathan Says:
Upyu: If I establish my Ki mastery by martial means, which is what Osensei, modern Aikido teachers, and the above mentioned Ki master are/were doing, then it is valid to test and judge my Ki ability by the successful application of it in an actual fight.
#2 10-05-2008 07:46 PM
Upyu Says:
Whether Ueshiba beat people up and could use those skills martially, is, I think, besides the point. With Ki/Kokyu skills, I think other factors need to be looked at. Asking whether or not xxx person had a valid fighting record or not is not a safe indicator, or even valid indicator as to whether the person had viable Ki/Kokyu skills. It simply means he could fight.
#1 10-05-2008 01:28 AM
Hi Jonathan, I share your sentiments. By the way, Are O' Sensei's fights documented? (I guess videos would be a long shot) or just stories passed from one person to another? Anyway, I agree with you. The masters would indeed need to step up to differentiate themselves from "Ki" posers. However, would that conflict directly with the principles of the art? (that's quite a good enough reason/excuse not oblige) One-Aiki, Iking
 




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